Guns: how much longer will it take ....

In your second paragraph, do you mean to say that artillery, tanks, and bazookas would be legal?

It's an interesting proposition.

What about the negligent parent who leaves their gun out and available for their kid to grab and shoot someone? What would the punishment be for both of them?

If you are caught (filmed, witnessed, proven) using a firearm during the commission of a crime (any crime) it is an automatic death penalty but has to be proven without a doubt. Life without Parole if you admit to the crime.

Parent didn't use the gun in a crime. Better teach the kids the rules.

Anybody convicted of any kind of acid attack should be publicly impaled, skinned, salted, and burned.

And that's when you jumped in and said that she [revellette] was technically right since the rate of fire from a semiautomatic AR-15 with a bump-stock was equal to a machine gun from 1919.

For some reason, you quibbled about the date as if that had any bearing on the issue.

So I asked you to cite something that would show that the rate of fire of that machine gun had changed in all those years. You failed to provide anything to that effect.

Instead, you accused me of not believing in the fire power of that machine gun, which was a lie.

The Browning M1919 weighed 31lbs and required at least two men, (usually four), to properly operate it. So the Las Vegas shooter had a firearm capable of firing as fast as the two man machine guns of WWII and Korea.

The only reason for that many people to operate was because of how big the gun was and how large the bullets were, it was a crew served weapon, it fired 30 cal bullets and was a belt fed machine gun. Those are already illegal, you don't like scary looking guns. You don't understand the first thing about their operation or ballistics.

Since they did have genuine machine guns in WWII and Korea, a semiautomatic handheld rifle outfitted with a device which enables it to shoot as fast as a genuine machine gun in use by the US in WWII and Korea counts as the functional equivalent of an assault rifle.

Semiauto AR-15 + bumpstock = assault weapon.

Fact remains, the AR-15 comes in semiauto versions and automatic versions, the automatic is an assault weapon because of its greater rate of fire.

The semiauto AR-15 + bumpstock shoots as fast as this M1919, and that M1919 is an automatic weapon, and therefore so is the bumpstock + AR-15 combo.

Our nation's school children are being shot in school by deranged people who mostly got their hands on semiauto versions of assault weapons

Semiautomatic versions of assault weapons have got to go, period.

No other developed country has them,

and no other developed country has our school shootings.

I'll leave it to the readers to decide if a semiauto rifle which can shoot this fast qualifies as an assault rifle

And here you go again, our schoolchildren are getting shot by deranged kids who got their hands on their parents' semiauto version of assault rifles,

Assault rifles manufactured in semiauto mode but convertible afterward to automatic rates of fire, (legally or illegally), should be banned.

Too many dead schoolchildren already, too many dead schoolchildren to come if we don't get rid of these semiauto versions of assault weapons.

Thanks for proving my point that you don't understand the stakes.

You desire to make the claim that nobody has ever modified a semiauto rifle up to automatic fire rate and performed mass murder with it, but the fact that the modification enabled the rifle to shoot as fast as those machine guns knocks out your claim.

But the overarching reason that these automatic assault weapons sold in semiauto mode need to be banned is that they have become the gun of choice for the deranged shooter who has convinced himself that the only way to end the pain is to go out and blast as many people as possible.

And that image of the hero waving his assault rifle around they see in the movies is what they're copying. Sane people want to put as many steps as possible between the deranged shooter and his attempt to turn his violent fantasies into reality as possible, and that means getting rid of the assault rifles in the country, even those sold in semiauto mode.

Other advanced countries don't have assault rifles for sale to the public in automatic or semiautomatic mode.

Surprise, other advanced countries don't have people walking into schools and other public places and blasting away anywhere near as much as we do.

A .380 auto doesn't kick a lot and the rounds, hollow points, have enough stopping power without putting a lot of strain on the shooter.

So the case for the AR-15/bumpstock combo as being equivalent to an assault rifle becomes even more absolute.