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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 09:14 am
@Olivier5,
That really made me wonder (for the USA, I mean). Virtually every member of the armed forces has training in using a firearm and knowledge of the principles of weapons safety, and many have practical experience in combat. (I'm quite sure, I still could assemble a pistol blindfolded as often we had to do it)

However, that has changed:
Commanders, O-5 and above, "may grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status," the document states. (2016, Nov. 18 Defense Department directive) http://www.esd.whs.mil/DD/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 09:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It doesn't state if they are allowed to do so while on duty, it only mentions being able to carry on base. That is interesting, I'm sure it is in response to several different shootings that took place on military bases, Maj. Hasan and then the Navy Yard shooting.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 10:11 am
In response to the waffle house shooting the mayor of Nashville echoes the parkland survivors: "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH". And the governor of Ohio is pledging action. There is a sea change going on here. Vote the NRA toadies out in november.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 10:48 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
In response to the waffle house shooting the mayor of Nashville echoes the parkland survivors: "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"

Since when will a politician not side with what they think is popular at the time? Guns make little difference when re-election is all they want.
Quote:
Nashville Mayor Megan Barry announced her resignation at a news conference Tuesday morning after she admitted to felony theft.

The vice mayor is now mayor. You think he is an honest man or someone using his new power to get noticed? I'll take the latter, he just jumped on the bandwagon.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/politics/nashville-mayor-megan-barry-resigns/index.html
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 01:07 pm

Waffle House shooter is in custody.

good -- another sick fvck with a gun is behind bars...
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 23 Apr, 2018 01:56 pm
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
sick fvck


The gun did not make him that way, did it?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 12:37 am
@Baldimo,
So the US army is trying to make sure its troops can easily be killed by mass shooters. Good... Rolling Eyes
revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 06:57 am
Quote:
Tenn. shooting suspect had guns taken away, got them back

NASHVILLE — He was once reported to the police in Illinois for stashing an AR-15 in the trunk of his car and then diving into a public pool wearing a women’s pink housecoat. There was the time he complained to an officer that the singer Taylor Swift had demanded a rendezvous. And then last July he was grabbed by the Secret Service when he tried to force his way on to the White House grounds.

Travis Reinking, 29, was on the radar of law enforcement well before he was taken into custody on Monday and accused of barging into a Nashville Waffle House over the weekend and opening fire, killing four and injuring four more.

Yet even after the Illinois police revoked his firearms license and ordered that his guns be transferred to his father, Mr. Reinking got them back, including the AR-15 used in the Tennessee shooting, the police said. His case raises questions over how such a troubled individual could have legally carried weapons for so long and could have continued to carry them even after he was ordered to give them up.

“We have a man who has exhibited significant instability,” acknowledged Don Aaron, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department.

The police say that Mr. Reinking’s father, Jeffrey, the owner of a crane business near the town of Morton, Ill., returned the guns to his son, enabling Travis Reinking to carry out the killings over the weekend.

Jeffrey Reinking’s act of returning the guns to his son is “potentially a violation of federal law,” Marcus Watson, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said at a news conference.


NYT
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 08:47 am
@revelette1,
Quote NYTimes:
Quote:
The police say that Mr. Reinking’s father, Jeffrey, the owner of a crane business near the town of Morton, Ill., returned the guns to his son, enabling Travis Reinking to carry out the killings over the weekend.

Jeffrey Reinking’s act of returning the guns to his son is “potentially a violation of federal law,” Marcus Watson, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said at a news conference.

Why would they give Reinking's guns to his father? Was his father the legal owner of the guns and just letting Reinking use them all the time?

At any rate, I think the father deserves to be in trouble.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 08:48 am
@revelette1,
The father deserves a lengthy prison term at least.
revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 09:38 am
@edgarblythe,
Exactly what I was thinking, from what I read, he might violated the law, but also from what I read, it is not a law heavily enforced.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 09:41 am
@revelette1,
Certainly he should never own another gun, not even a BB gun.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 09:50 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
Later that month, after the White House incident, the police approached Mr. Reinking and his father to deliver a copy of the paper revoking his license. He handed over the card and helped the police retrieve all of his weapons and ammunition, which were handed over to Jeffrey Reinking.

“Jeffrey was advised that he needed to keep the weapons secure and away from Travis,” the police report said. “Jeffrey stated he would comply.”

According to Illinois gun law, a person must be granted a Firearm Owners Identification card, or FOID, to possess a firearm. About 2.1 million people in Illinois have the cards.

But under the law, the process to keep firearms out of the hands of a person whose card has been revoked is weak, allowing many people to keep access to the weapons with little threat of enforcement or penalty.

The Illinois State Police revoked more than 11,000 cards in 2016, said a spokesman, Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle. People whose cards have been revoked are required to surrender the card and any weapons to a local law enforcement agency. But there is a provision that allows people whose license has been revoked to transfer their weapons to another person with a valid card, as Mr. Reinking’s father had.


Those local police departments are then required to document that the person has turned over the card and weapons.

But local law enforcement agencies frequently fail to take action. In 2016, only about 4,000 of the 11,000 people whose cards were revoked submitted the mandatory reports explaining what they did with their guns, The Chicago Tribune reported in 2017.

“They’re required to do it, but there’s essentially no teeth in the law that holds the law enforcement agencies accountable to do it,” Lieutenant Boerwinkle said on Monday.

There is nothing in the law requiring that the person holding the weapons must lock them up, or even live in a different house than the person whose FOID card was revoked, Lieutenant Boerwinkle said.

Transferring firearms to another Illinois resident who does not have a valid card is a crime in Illinois. Jeffrey Reinking has indicated to the police that he gave his son’s guns back to him, but it is not clear how and when he did so, said Mr. Aaron, the spokesman for the Nashville police.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 11:56 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
The father deserves a lengthy prison term at least.


So does Clinton. This man will face justice, she won't. And do not say that does not matter.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 12:04 pm
Quote:
Thanks, David Hogg! NRA Breaks 15 Year Fundraising Record


Oops. Laughing Laughing Laughing
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/thanks-david-hogg-nra-breaks-15-year-fundraising-record/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 12:50 pm
@coldjoint,
But she's not the topic. Only the killers and their guns they use to shoot up people.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 01:38 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Only the killers


They don't need guns to kill people, it is a tool that makes it easier. That they are killers is the problem, not the guns.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 02:05 pm
@coldjoint,
When knives and tire irons can kill dozens in a matter of seconds I will discuss weapons other than guns.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2018 02:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
When knives and tire irons can kill dozens in a matter of seconds


How about rented vans?
 

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