Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

Yes, but since the general pipulation ain't armed, the cops aren't constantly stressed.

@Olivier5,

Depends on the the situation: just a couple of weeks ago, German authorities seized data storage devices, narcotic drugs and weapons in nationwide raids on Tuesday against members of the Osmanen Germania "boxing gang". (Officially registered as a boxing club, known for its Turkish nationalist and right-wing extremist beliefs, and illegal activities like attempted murder, attempted manslaughter, extortion, forced prostitution, pimping - one of the fastest-growing gang-like groups in the country.)

The former head of the Wuppertal chapter of the Ottoman rockers was considered highly dangerous, said to be involved in a murder mission.
The alleged perpetrator had a mobile phone in his hand when the elite police broke into the apartment door with a ram. While his colleague hurried immediately to the right into a room, the later shooter ran to the left into the living room - the pistol at the stop. There he met Hamit P., who held a dark object in his hand... and shot him.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Yes, but since the general pipulation ain't armed, the cops aren't constantly stressed.

According to this, there are 31.2 guns for every 100 people in France:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

That should be enough for any criminal who wants to, to possess a gun.

It also appears that semi-auto handguns and semi-auto assault rifles are available to anyone who wants to fulfill the requirements:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_France

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@oralloy,

The French gun laws correspond - like those in the other EU- and Schengen-countries - with the European Firearms Directive.

oralloy wrote:

That should be enough for any criminal who wants to, to possess a gun.

Usually, criminals don't get a firearm licence. (See for instance the BULLETIN OFFICIEL DU MINISTÈRE DE LA JUSTICE

Do you have a source that such is nevertheless legally possible in France?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Usually, criminals don't get a firearm licence. (See for instance the BULLETIN OFFICIEL DU MINISTÈRE DE LA JUSTICE
Do you have a source that such is nevertheless legally possible in France?

Criminals don't follow the law.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Criminals don't follow the law.

Sure. Regardless to what the law says and how many firearms are owned legally.

French law prohibits the purchase of weapons by persons who do not hold a hunting permit or a licence from the French Shooting Federation. The only over-the-counter weapons are "category D" weapons. Categories of weapons

The vast majority of these weapons belong to hunters: there are 1.4 million hunting licence holders in France, making it the second most popular sport after football. One finds the remainder of these weapons at the licence holders of the French Federation of Shooting, more than 160 000 members

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes but that's a different situation from encountering average Joe in his backyard. When you raid a den of outlaws, you expect them to be armed, naturally, and you might therefore shoot first and think later. The point I am trying to make is that, IF THE WHOLE CITIZENRY IS ARMED, if cops excpect everybody to be armed, they will tend to shoot first and think second with EVERYBODY, and not just when they raid a bunch of murderers. They will treat everybody as armed and dangerous, and rightly so.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Criminals don't follow the law.

It's like some people just can't understand this point.

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@McGentrix,

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Criminals don't follow the law

so why do we insist on making their career pathways free of any bumps??

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Criminals don't follow the law.

It's like some people just can't understand this point.

Well, that's why we got police - the bureaucratic institution, providing the primary state response to crime and disorder.

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@MontereyJack,

It seems like a bunch of little Brown Shirts to me. Marching on the US capital to try and restrict Constitutional Rights. I'm not surprised people such as yourself are resorting to using kids as your agents of change. When you fail in the traditional means, ballot box and legislation, you guys resort to the courts and "it's for the kids...". It's really shameful.

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@Baldimo,

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It seems like a bunch of little Brown Shirts to me

Manipulated adults manipulating children who never had civics classes and are uninformed about how our system works. Our founders never planned for children to make any legal or civil rights decisions.

That is why there is a voting age and ages for serving as an elected representative.

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@MontereyJack,

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Look at the polls The large majority wants stronger gun laws.

That maybe true, but they have no idea on what those laws should be, they don't even understand the current gun laws, that's mostly due to the left and their lies about the gun issue and the 2nd Amendment.

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AZnd when Marco Rubio had his town hall meeting with some 7000 ofdinary Florida citizens,

It wasn't Rubio's town hall, it was CNN's town hall hit piece, and it wasn't 7000 "ordinary" FL citizens, it was a bunch of emotional students who embodied the best of 1984's "2 minutes of hate". The only purpose was to yell at people and label them as "terrorists", just like they have done with the NRA and those law biding US citizens who support the 2nd Amendment.

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trying to cast disrepute on a suggestion that enacting a particular measure would really ban all semi-automatic weapons as a consequence.

It should be in disrepute, that is the aim of the anti-gun lobby. They want to see all guns banned, just like you have said you want to see. It's transparent.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

It seems like a bunch of little Brown Shirts to me.

Well, the "little Brown Shirts" got weapons since the Nazis significantly loosened strict German gun laws that had been put into place by the Weimar Republic government in the years following World War I.
Higher ranked Hitleryouth even didn't get a licence for owing/buying guns.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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German gun laws

What is strange to me is why anyone would take any advice from a European country. They are clearly neck deep in ****. The diversity they have forced on its citizens has lowered their standards of living and have bought crime and fear./color]

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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Criminals don't follow the law
so why do we insist on making their career pathways free of any bumps??

We have plenty of bumps in the way. Armed Americans that can defend their homes and themselves. That's a lot of bumps.

Why do you think cities with strict gun laws have so much crime? It's because the good guys follow the rules and do not have guns while the criminals run over the populace.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, that's why we got police - the bureaucratic institution, providing the primary state response to crime and disorder.

The police react to crime, very rarely do they actually stop crime.

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@Olivier5,

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Yes, but since the general pipulation ain't armed.....

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More than 240 people have been killed in France in attacks since 2015 by assailants who pledged allegiance to, or were inspired by, Islamic State.

This story covers a supermarket shooting in France. If one of those customers had a gun maybe two lives would have been saved. Oh, and the police are not stressed.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Man-holds-hostages-in-France-supermarket-shouts-Allahu-Akbar-546942

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http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3875002/images/o-GIGN-facebook.jpg

These guys are stressed.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

The police react to crime, very rarely do they actually stop crime.

Not here, at any of the regional and district's police headquarters, there's a "crime prevention department".
Our state's "State Criminal Police Office" has in a large division ('Division 3 Stratetic Combating Crime') a department for 'Crime Invention'.
I've worked with/in (more than 20 years ago) one of the subdepartments of the latter, the subdepartment of 'Generic Prevention, Juvenile Delinquency, Drug Prevention.

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