58
   

Let's get rid of the Electoral College

 
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 06:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Wrong again. Progressives really hate facts. Facts are really inconvenient for progressives. But facts are not propaganda.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 06:15 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Be frank and come to the point: Your understanding is a huge deviation of the tranditional definition of progressive.
This deviation apparently leads to confusion and frustration about the ideology you are making efforts to establish.

I merely differ on the question of whether progressives change things for the better or for the worse.


oristarA wrote:
For what you are trying to describe is de facto false progressives.
So better use another word or use "false progressives" instead.

But in that case, is there any such thing as a real progressive?
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 06:16 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Oralloy is an extraordinarily biased far-right wing ideologue.

Actually I'm a bit of a moderate.


MontereyJack wrote:
His opinion of progressives bears very little resemblance to what progressives actually believe or practice. Don't trust what he says about them as anything other than his own imaginings.

Here are two examples of a progressive calling for and praising the deliberate violation of people's civil liberties:

https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2108#post-6598060

No one can provide any motivation for this call to violate people's civil liberties other than the fact that progressives derive sadistic pleasure from violating people's civil liberties.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 06:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
You're as delusional about what progressives do and want as oraloy is.

I can provide concrete examples of progressives deliberately violating people's civil liberties, and you cannot provide any alternative motivation for this other than the fact that progressives do it for sadistic pleasure.

Coldjoint is quite correct to point out that progressives often try to impose communism. Look at the way progressives tried to help Communists destroy America during the Cold War.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 06:22 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
What did the terrorists call themselves in 911 Attacks? They called themselves as jihadists and so by your logic, you and Oralloy would call them as jihadists? Can you see how wrong you are? They were terrorists! Call them terrorists straightaway and reasonable and innocent people will understand you very well.

It is possible for someone to be both a jihadist and a terrorist at the same time.

Although it is also possible for someone to be one or the other, but not both.

I agree that it is the terrorism that is objectionable. A jihadist who did not engage in terrorism would probably not be objectionable.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:18 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Again, it's purely your imagination that preogressives are socialists or communists. You're wrong.

Coldjoint isn't wrong. He is correct. Look at the way progressives tried to help Communists destroy America during the Cold War.


MontereyJack wrote:
Some do have some socialist ideas but then so does the us government and the us public,, ideas which have been generally accepted american beliefs for decades, like social security and the VA. And Americans for decades want socialized "medicine".

You don't speak for America.


MontereyJack wrote:
like single-payer, which works in every first world country, costs half of what we pay, and covers everyone, which trump himself touted as the best until he became president. You're still stuck in pre-WorldWarI thinking.

Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Slovakia have market-based systems that are neither single payer nor socialized medicine.

Obamacare marketplace exchanges would be quite similar to those systems if it had stronger regulations and more government support.


Singapore has a system that works for them that is different from all of the above systems. I've not taken the time to understand how their system works, but it clearly does work.

Many Republicans think that it would be a good alternative to the Obamacare market exchanges. Since I've not bothered to learn about it, I'm not qualified to comment on it.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
joint is stuck too in far right wing cospiracy theorizing with no idea of who or what progressives are.

He understands you quite well. That's why he opposes you.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:21 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
MontereyJack is correct pointing out that coldjoint is as delusional about what progressives do and want as oraloy is.

Neither he nor I are delusional. I have provided concrete evidence that progressives intentionally violate people's civil liberties.

No one can provide any alternative motivation for this other than the fact that progressives actually enjoy violating people's civil liberties.


oristarA wrote:
Both coldjoint and oralloy sillily attack progressives on the ground that violent anarchists say they are progressives.

I don't know about coldjoint, but I've never attacked progressives on such grounds.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:22 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
I don't believe that CJ and Ollie can be as stupid as their posts indicate.

You are the only person here whose posts indicate stupidity.


RABEL222 wrote:
Look at how much of the discussion is taken up by these two repeating their lies until they might influence some of the people here.

You cannot provide any examples of anything untrue in either of our posts.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:23 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Most of criminals claim they are "innocent", and so you and oralloy would attack the innocent, because you are following your delusional logic.

Can you show any examples of me attacking the innocent, or examples of flaws in my logic?


oristarA wrote:
With only a few anarchists going violent and claiming that they are "progressives", and so you and oralloy attack progressives, because you are following your ridiculous logic.

I've never attacked progressives because an anarchist claims to be a progressive.
0 Replies
 
RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2020 01:24 pm
10 consecutive posts trying to prove a fact is false. Proof of my contention that CJ and Ollie are paid consertive republican operatives.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2020 03:25 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Proof of my contention that CJ and Ollie are paid consertive republican operatives.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 09:31 am
@coldjoint,
Drunk Evil or Very Mad Crying or Very sad Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Crying or Very sad Drunk
0 Replies
 
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 09:43 am
@RABEL222,
This is the type of questioning that happens in Kangaroo courts. Hop hop hop away little Roo. I've realized what a joke this site is. You should join the real world and have a go at Twitter or Parler. Later loser.
RABEL222
 
  3  
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 12:49 pm
@Baldimo,
If I wanted facts I sure as hell wouldent read twitter. I already see all the opinion I want right here. O, I see. You mean I should read Trumps latest lies directly rather than hours later on fox news. Another place I don't need to listen to. Ill just stay with you and CJ and Ollie so I can get opinion directly presented as facts.
0 Replies
 
RABEL222
 
  5  
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 12:51 pm
Opinion presented as fact equals lies.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 02:06 pm
@RABEL222,
The question is why are you lying so much? You have opinion and facts so twisted in your head you don't know which is which. You don't want your stupidity on display, and I understand your hesitation, if I were you I would want to hide on a small obscure website as well. I could care less about trump's tweets, I don't even follow him. I'm more concerned with lunatic leftists like yourself spreading lies about federal police officers, general Flynn.

0 Replies
 
tsarstepan
 
  1  
Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2020 07:48 pm
https://imgur.com/DrBJY5c.jpg
Source
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
GAFFNEY: Whose side is Obama on? - Discussion by gungasnake
 
Copyright © 2020 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.09 seconds on 12/03/2020 at 07:53:04