Let's get rid of the Electoral College

@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Now reverse those images with a pure popular votes. The EC helps keep California, Texas, and New York from running the country.

And example of that would be the power Texas (where the state mandates what will be in text books every year, including creationism, leaving out evolution, ignoring black history etc.

Texas has more school children than any other state. The textbooks for Texas are inexpensive because of the economy of scale in printing them. Guess who also buys these cheap books: thousands of poorer school board all around the nation. Texas is dumbing down our nation.

Taking away the EC will have a couple of unintended deadly consequences.

"Taking away the EC" WILL definitely have a couple of unintended deadly consequences...but leaving in as it is (which is almost certainly what will happen) has even more deadly consequences.

The EC is an abomination for a democratic minded nation. And just as we would not love having California, Texas, and New York "running the country" (meaning having outsized influence on how the country is run)...having yokels from Wyoming, North & South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho having outsized influence is even worse.

I doubt we will get rid of the EC. It is of too much importance to the Republican Party (despite what Trump thinks) for them to ever allow that to happen. But if ever there has been a cause that should enlist every freedom lover...getting rid of that abomination should be that cause.

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@McGentrix,

Maybe I better reread what I wrote.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

leaving in as it is (which is almost certainly what will happen) has even more deadly consequences.
The EC is an abomination for a democratic minded nation.

Nonsense.

Frank Apisa wrote:

...having yokels from Wyoming, North & South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho having outsized influence is even worse.

The supposed problem of "outsized influence" can easily be solved by ratifying the Apportionment Amendment.

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@Robert Gentel,

If it's OK with you, I'd prefer not to have the weak minded urban areas control the countries fate. The left has too much control of the concentrated population.

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@Polaraco,

If we are the weak minded urban core that leaves you the role of village idiot.

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@Polaraco,

Don't be ridiculous.

America doesn't even have UHC.

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@izzythepush,

We have Obamacare. How does Obamacare not qualify as UHC??

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@oralloy,

Only serfs pay for healthcare.

We take what is ours by right.

And we protect our children from child murdering NRA filth.

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@izzythepush,

Nonsense. Everyone pays for healthcare one way or another. Doctors don't work for free.

In the case of the UK, your government pays doctors and you pay taxes.

The NRA has never murdered anyone.

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@oralloy,

It really upsets you that our children are safe, you'll just have to content yourself with the hundreds of American children butchered by the NRA every year.

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@izzythepush,

I have no objection at all to UK children being safe.

The NRA does no harm to any children whatsoever.

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@oralloy,

Cut the horse ****. thr NRA does everything it can think of to put guns in the hands of people who are going to use them to kill somebody else. that ,al/makes them complocot in the resulting gun viilence. even though they may not actually [ull the trigger they bless the lethal outcome.

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@MontereyJack,

Wrong again. Progressive efforts to outlaw pistol grips have nothing to do with trying to save lives.

And preventing progressives from outlawing pistol grips does not aid or abet any murder or other crime.

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it's time to drop this archaic method of selecting POTUS...

Quote:

Raskin points to Electoral College reform as next priority to safeguard democracy

Rep. Jamie Raskin, a member of the House January 6 select committee, said reforming the Electoral College to ensure the presidential winner reflects the outcome of the popular vote would be the next step to safeguard democracy.

“The Electoral College now – which has given us five popular-vote losers as president in our history, twice in this century alone – has become a danger, not just to democracy, but to the American people. It was a danger on January 6,” the Maryland Democrat said in an interview with Margaret Brennan on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that aired Sunday. “There are so many curving byways and nooks and crannies in the Electoral College, that there are opportunities for a lot of strategic mischief. We should elect the president the way we elect governors, senators, mayors, representatives, everybody else. Whoever gets the most votes wins.”

(cnn)

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

it's time to drop this archaic method of selecting POTUS...

Quote:
Raskin points to Electoral College reform as next priority to safeguard democracy

Rep. Jamie Raskin, a member of the House January 6 select committee, said reforming the Electoral College to ensure the presidential winner reflects the outcome of the popular vote would be the next step to safeguard democracy.

“The Electoral College now – which has given us five popular-vote losers as president in our history, twice in this century alone – has become a danger, not just to democracy, but to the American people. It was a danger on January 6,” the Maryland Democrat said in an interview with Margaret Brennan on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that aired Sunday. “There are so many curving byways and nooks and crannies in the Electoral College, that there are opportunities for a lot of strategic mischief. We should elect the president the way we elect governors, senators, mayors, representatives, everybody else. Whoever gets the most votes wins.”
(cnn)

We should just get rid of the whole archaic idea of America as well. Obviously, whatever is good enough for Arkansas is good enough for everyone in California.
Speaking of California,
I remember once, California put the rights of gay marriage up for popular vote... it was voted against.

While we are at it, we should also get rid of all the state governments, we no longer need those either. The nanny Federal government is good for everyone.

All you people that don't like the Electoral College really need to get over yourselves. Quit the whining bullshit. The President is not elected by the people. The office is elected by the states. Shut the **** up about it already.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Region Philbis wrote:

it's time to drop this archaic method of selecting POTUS...

Quote:
Raskin points to Electoral College reform as next priority to safeguard democracy

Rep. Jamie Raskin, a member of the House January 6 select committee, said reforming the Electoral College to ensure the presidential winner reflects the outcome of the popular vote would be the next step to safeguard democracy.

“The Electoral College now – which has given us five popular-vote losers as president in our history, twice in this century alone – has become a danger, not just to democracy, but to the American people. It was a danger on January 6,” the Maryland Democrat said in an interview with Margaret Brennan on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that aired Sunday. “There are so many curving byways and nooks and crannies in the Electoral College, that there are opportunities for a lot of strategic mischief. We should elect the president the way we elect governors, senators, mayors, representatives, everybody else. Whoever gets the most votes wins.”
(cnn)

We should just get rid of the whole archaic idea of America as well. Obviously, whatever is good enough for Arkansas is good enough for everyone in California.
Speaking of California,
I remember once, California put the rights of gay marriage up for popular vote... it was voted against.

While we are at it, we should also get rid of all the state governments, we no longer need those either. The nanny Federal government is good for everyone.

All you people that don't like the Electoral College really need to get over yourselves. Quit the whining bullshit. The President is not elected by the people. The office is elected by the states. Shut the **** up about it already.

"The states" are nothing but collections of dirt...artificially bound by borders constructed by people.

A state cannot do anything. It is not living or sentient. It is nothing but an artificially bound area of land...dirt.

People elect the President. And the way the Founders felt made sense in the 18th century...DOES NOT MAKE SENSE in the 21st.

Wake the hell up.

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@Frank Apisa,

It's strange how Americans are so reverential towards the founding fathers.

In what other area would the ideas of 18th Century politicians take precedence over contemporary thinking?

I'm not saying that their place in History shouldn't be preserved, but it should stay there, in the History books.

It's probably apocryphal, but I've heard it's still the law in England and Wales that all men should practice archery for two hours every Sunday.

That's how we won the hundred years' war, Crecy Poitiers and Agincourt, it must be right.

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@McGentrix,

you can't stifle it just because you disagree with it.

your guy tried to game the system because his massive ego couldn't handle the reality that he lost.

don't tell me you think he won fair and square...

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

you can't stifle it just because you disagree with it.

your guy tried to game the system because his massive ego couldn't handle the reality that he lost.

don't tell me you think he won fair and square...

He won the first election, lost the second. That is because he had more states vote for him than Hillary. He lost the second because he didn't. I'm not sure how you feel campaigning for an election is "gaming the system"... Don't you wish that Hillary's "gaming of the system" was more successful? Unfortunately, no one believed her smear campaign. I mean no one that didn't already believe any Republican was a spawn of satan already.

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@Region Philbis,

We can stifle it. And we will stifle it.

Thanks for proving that progressives are the true election deniers.

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