I TOOK DOWN MY AMERICAN FLAG FROM MY HOUSE

Cjhsa So lock and load is it?

Seem like you are threatening to committed arm rebellion against the lawful government of the US as you don’t care for the result of a lawful election.

My friend if the might of the military and police forces somehow would prove not be enough to handle your treason I would be more then willing to lock and load myself to defend the country from nuts such as yourself.

Does this mean I can now fly my US flag upside down? Put one as my avatar in a sign of distress?

Don't we have the right to revolt as noted in the Constitution?

Baldimo like Palin you seem to have never read the Constitution as there is no right to rebel contain in it. It does however deal with the subject of treason.

I assumed you are talking instead about the Declaration of Independent where there is a statement that as a last resort to a unfair/evil government a people have a right or even a duty to overthrown such a government.

Now if Obama would declare the Constitution null and void and end free elections then we could talk about the right to overthrown the government contain in the Declaration, but as long as we are going to have the next election for congress in two years and a presidential election in four years I can not see how that would apply.

It's Declaration of Independence. It lays out the appropriate grounds for abolishing a government, and losing an election doesn't qualify.

kuvasz, we've had pretty opposite opinions, but on this opinion I will largely agree. I am on the boat here with lots of other passengers, and they have expressed their opinion, whether I like it or not. The reason I will persevere is because I have never placed ultimate faith in politics, nor for a country for that matter. I do believe America is a very special place, one that has been immensely blessed, and a country worth fighting for, and that touches on another issue of this election, I fail to see how so many people are disenchanted when the country offers the blessings it has. We essentially elected a malcontent, but what can one expect from a discontented people? The discontent, I can't explain it, except I think it is a spiritual problem, not a political problem.

More thoughts here, I picked up the paper and read some thoughts of some Democratic voters, and almost every one of them had experienced some kind of personal catharsis, healing, or something, and they talked about crying and sobbing when Obama was elected. I cannot explain it, that we had elected a black man to office, but honestly there was hardly a mention of his policies. Kuvasz, I am virtually convinced that Obama was elected because of people needing to shed some kind of guilt complex, or to be validated because a minority had been elected, somebody like them. I do not identify with that because I was not raised in a racist family, we never had thoughts of one person being better because of his skin color, or whatever, so I did not, nor do I have a guilt complex requiring some kind of cleansing election. I looked at this election in regard to policies, and I looked at Obama as a malcontent, his associations, his total lack of experience and qualifications, and the vagueries of what he wanted to do, which I don't like, nor do I trust. As a matter of note, add to this that Obama is not even all black, he is half white, for all that it matters, but he has taken on the persona of black for political expediency. I do not think he would have had a ghost of a chance against Hillary if he had been white.

Some people look at this as an event that will finally cleanse the country of all doubt, and do away with racist agendas, etc. Somehow, I do not think so. I think the risks here are huge, when you elect a man based upon race, it does not bode well for when he fails, or whatever happens to him or the country, it will forever be about race now.

But, here we are, I will make the best of it, and I trust the God of Heaven will not give this country anything we don't deserve. It may not all be good, but perhaps He will spare us from the worst. We live in very dangerous times, and if Obama is not up to the job, I hope there are people around him that are awakened to it. And in this regard, I give George W. Bush enormous credit, he is a good and decent man that loved the country, and I will always resent those people that tore him apart, the same people now that are demanding our respect for the good of country. What bilge, but we will, because we always have.

And then we have msolga's post about being citizen of the world. Obama does it too, and frankly it is one of the things that are red flags, because if we can be good fathers, wives, children, we've done pretty good, and then good citizens of this country, thats enough to worry about, and more than most people are doing.

I was simply playing Devils Advocate. I already noted in another thread that I'm going to wait and see how things go. I haven't cleaned my gun, bought more ammo or even started making an escape plan for the family. I'm going to be level headed about this and play the wait and see game. If Obama does what he says he is going to do by reaching across the isle to make a better US then I am all for that.

Baldimo how nice of you that you are going to see if you care for the actions of the lawful government before deciding if you are going to attack it.

What form of government would you care to see replace ours if need be, as you had already make it clear that a government by the people does not have your loyally if it happen to take any course you don't care for?

A right wing military dictatorship supported by a right wing oligarchy perhaps?

Come on if it turn out that you end up disliking the actions of the next government headed by Obama and after taking up arms and in fact overthrowing that government what are you planning on replacing it with?

Again, a thumbs up, because I find that of all the teeth gnashing from your side, yours appears to be the only post without bombast or gut emotion.

I was not a Barack Obama supporter until John Edwards dropped out of the race and with you thought it bordering on a phantasm of personal ego that a man with only two years in the US Senate would even presume to think he was qualified to run for the position of the leader of the free world. What bloody hubris, I recalled thinking.

I was actually driven away from Barack Obama because of a cult of personality I perceived in his followers, and some of the adoration continues to unsettle me. But, I have examined his policies, read his books, and listened to him as well as the people with whom he has surrounded himself on an intellectual basis. What I have come away with is recognizing that this is a special man who seeks out the best minds and learns from them without his personal ego getting in the way. Barrack Obama has a first rate mind and appears willing to consider the opinions of people with whom he disagrees and strives to accommodate the perspective of such people while continuing to hold true to the philosophic bases that have lead him to his position.

None of this has anything to do with him being a black man, and regardless of having a white mother, we have not traveled as a nation that far not to recognize him as a black man with all of society's prejudices as emotional baggage.

Having lived, worked, and played with black people, and having dated a black woman in graduate school I don't yet believe that the black race has yet to obtain Martin Luther King, Jr's goal of living in a country where as a people we judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of his skin.

But the election of Barack Obama brings us a long way from Selma and helps heal the wound of slavery, segregation and economic exploitation for black Americans.

As to Barack Obama’s political positions, I disagree with you simply because he is not as far to the Left as I am. He stated in no uncertain terms that he would not attempt to re-institute the Fairness Doctrine, his acceptance of the judicial philosophy behind the recent SCOTUS gun case, and his hesitancy in calling for a repeal of Taft Hartley shows to me he is much more middle of the road moderate than the radical, socialist that he is being called.

Again, he appears to be a brilliant man with a keen, but moderate temperament and clearly the one person I see who I believe will mind the store for all Americans as we go about living our lives.

You might not have known me on Abuzz, but after the 2000 election, and more precisely after the 911 bombing I was excoriated by my liberal fellow travelers for supporting George Bush, because he was our president. George Bush disappointed me, but like most Americans, for whom our government appears as our secular religion, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. All I can ask you to do is give Barack Obama the same benefit of the doubt that I gave to George Bush. I do not believe that he will disappoint you, but even if he does I will not, like others did to me, call me unpatriotic for voicing my discontent with the current American president.

Flag party at my house.

Don't make us Americans kick your Confederate asses again.

Are you dense BillRM?

Did you see where I said I was going to take up arms against the US? Don't be a fool. I'm reserving by bad mouthing of the Obama govt. The only direct action I am taking against the Obama govt. is to not reenlist in the Army. Dems don't do the military right. Cut funding and such, I don't want to see my military rot from within.

The Stars and Bars flag is either the flag of insurrection against the United States of America or it is the flag of a foreign nation, the Confederate States of America that was conquered by the USA, so neither of which ought to be flown over American soil.

You insist upon making yourself look childish. Grow up and act like a man.

Hey, now you joined the vets that aren't done right by the GOP which has cut spending for veteran's programs.

I don't know what you have heard about the poor care for vets but Bush signed into law a seprate care system for vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. I am guaranteed medical care from the time I sign into the program for the next 5 years at no cost to me. It is only for vets of the current wars. After the 5 years I go into the reg VA program. You guys really need to brush up on your facts. There wasn't a cut, it was an increase that you all either didn't know about or chose to ignore. They have a specific area here in Denver that only services vets of the current wars.

The rot I'm referning to is going to take place for the active, reserve and guard prorams. No money for parts or fuel so I might as well quite now so I don't have to complain about not getting flight time when we don't have parts to fix our Chinooks or fuel to fill them with. Being in the Reserves is only going to make it worse because we are always at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to funding.

have fun with your pictures and posters. i'm glad you have something to keep you company. maybe you will feel better.

Bill,
correct me if I am rong,
but thay did not kill children, so far as I 've heard.

Do u have information that thay killed children in the arena ?

U WIN the bet, Bill.

I wish that Sarah were going to be the President.
She is much better than McCain.

I have no information about hunting animals.

Dag,
when I bring this up,
it is usually to contradict people who write from emotional false assumptions
about the stupidity of children, and how thay are unfit even to defend their lives.
I seek to disprove those assumptions with counterevidence,
vindicating the victims of those defamations.

To my mind,
that appears to be the right thing to do.

Even among those of us who are NOT newcomers,
there are some with whom I have never interacted,
or had very little interaction, so that thay are not aware of this,
even tho U have known me to post this repeatedly.

I understand that u imply that I am stupid to be repetitious,
but in my own defense, these are some of the reasons
for that repetition that u might not know.

or care about.... there you go again and again and again.... then you wonder why people don't take you seriously. <shrug>.

...sometimes it's better to not endulge oneself you know, even though you are convinced your little world is fascinating to the rest of the mankind.