No wonder Joe the Plumber Is worried About Taxes

Yes, as I've stated repeatedly, my problem is that it is unfair and un-American to make the rich pay a much, much higher percentage of their income in taxes than the middle class, although I'd support the closing of most tax loopholes. Even by paying just the same percentage, the rich would be paying more money. I don't have much objection to putting them in a slightly higher tax bracket than the middle class, but I do object to putting them in a much higher bracket. The American dream is that by working hard and being clever, one can become rich, and success isn't deserving of punishment. I won't go along with pulling them down out of jealousy.

Yes, as I've stated repeatedly, my problem is that it is unfair and un-American to make the rich pay a much, much higher percentage of their income in taxes than the middle class, although I'd support the closing of most tax loopholes. Even by paying just the same percentage, the rich would be paying more money

I didn't say anything specifically about starting a business, and I did advocate closing most loopholes. I said that in general the percentage taxed in a high income bracket shouldn't be tremendously higher than the percentage taxed from lower income brackets, except for the case of very, very low income, which should be exempt from paying tax. Now, please argue the opinion I actually stated

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Yes, as I've stated repeatedly, my problem is that it is unfair and un-American to make the rich pay a much, much higher percentage of their income in taxes than the middle class, although I'd support the closing of most tax loopholes. Even by paying just the same percentage, the rich would be paying more money

By the way could you provide any evidence to support your allegation that the rich pay a much, much higher percentage of their income in taxes than the middle class?

You accused CI of something you couldn't back up..

Either argue the point, or the conclusion will be inevitable to any fair minded person that either (a) you don't disagree, or (b) you're afraid to to debate it.

Brandon, You argument falls off the "reasonable" test. During the past decade or so, the CEOs and officers of companies enriched themselves at much higher rates than the average worker by huge multiples. THAT WAS NOT FAIR, because the workers were the ones who produced the products and services by "increasing production." While the CEOs increased their salaries and benefits more than ten-fold, the average salary didn't even keep up with inflation, and more families went into debt while the CEO's bought second homes, yachts, and other luxuries. All this while the federal government increased debt to give those same CEOs tax breaks to "transfer" those debts to our children and grandchildren. What makes you think this is fair? If our government is unwilling to tax those able to pay the taxes during times of increasing debt, what's fair about that? You agree it's okay to transfer those debts to future generations? Why?

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I didn't say anything specifically about starting a business, and I did advocate closing most loopholes. I said that in general the percentage taxed in a high income bracket shouldn't be tremendously higher than the percentage taxed from lower income brackets, except for the case of very, very low income, which should be exempt from paying tax. Now, please argue the opinion I actually stated

Well the case for JOE the PLUMMER , is all about starting a business because Gramps wants to conflate starting a business and small businesses in general with "being rich". Hes diverting our attentiomn.
You want us to ardue against your opionion when you havent had the courtesy to acknowledge the fact that the tax code is already heavy loaded in favor of "Trust fund babies and even wealthier people" . Your entire understanding is silly and shows a deep lack of understanding about anything fiscal. If others wish to throw intellectual birdseed at you (the budgie )in the hopes that youll understand something, I guess I cannot stop em. Im not because your still gonna proceed at your own level of ignorance about the entire subject.

No thank you, I dont believe were here to retrain you especially if youre ineducable on this subject.

gday.

Brandon, "Most of the loopholes" will not fix our deficit.

Here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01EED71039F935A1575AC0A9649C8B63

Your perception of "success" has much to be desired. They got rich off the average worker named "joe." It seems "reasonableness" is another word missing from your vocabulary.

The closing of loopholes for the rich will not balance the budget; the transfer of our current deficit to future generations is not only unfair, but irresponsible.

Any tax rate must ensure that current spending is balanced against current revenue. The only way that will happen is to tax the wealthy at much higher rates, not only to pay current expenses, but to reduce the current deficit.

Brandon-you are getting to sound like gungasnake who refuses to read evidence in science. What Ci p[osted was a loopjhole shut down a while ago, however there are severa l tens or maybe o hundred others. Please try not to hide behind ignorance with a feigned sensitivity. I have a very thick skin when it comes to internet whining. Stop the "damning with faint praise schtick" and get to some substance please.

PS read the post that ci laid there. Then try to go find others , just type in "TAX LOOPHOLES" into google, thatd be a start