OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2008 05:35 pm
@oralloy,
NRA And Brady Campaign AGREE:
Barack Obama Is Anti-Gun

Friday, October 17, 2008

In a rare occurrence, NRA and the Brady Campaign
(formerly Handgun Control, Incorporated) agree on something.

Four years ago, the Brady Campaign endorsed an anti-gun senator
by the name of John Kerry for President, and NRA thought that
decision made sense"for an anti-gun group.

This week, in a testament to his anti-gun record, Barack Obama
also received a presidential endorsement from the Brady
Campaign.

So, once again, the Brady Campaign and NRA are in total
agreement"Barack Obama is, by far, the most anti-gun
presidential nominee in history and he certainly deserves the
endorsement of one of the most outspoken anti-gun organizations
in the country.

NRA-ILA has repeatedly documented Obama’s anti-gun stance;
but if any doubt remains about Obama’s true position on
the Second Amendment, his endorsement from the Brady
Campaign should dispel it.

The Brady endorsement of Obama comes on the heels of similar
endorsements we’ve reported on from the American Hunters and
Shooters Association, and the Humane Society of the
United States, and dovetails nicely with them¾the first group
being the leading anti-gun lobby in the country; the second,
a phony front group whose mission is to confuse sportsmen as to
their true anti-gun agenda; and the third a radical animal “rights”
group that wants to ban all hunting in the United States!

So, as a pro-gun voter, you’ve got to ask yourself:
Why do these vehemently anti-gun, anti-hunting groups
unequivocally endorse Barack Obama? And the answer is:
They know he supports their anti-gun, anti-hunting agenda and
is therefore their logical and unanimous choice!

The Brady endorsement puts Obama in the anti-gun company of
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Jack Reed (D-RI),
Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), John Conyers (D-NY), Sheila Jackson
Lee (D-TX), and, of course, John Kerry (D-MA), to name a few,
who are also counted among the Bradys’ endorsed, anti-gun
political elite this year.

The NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) has issued its
endorsement in the 2008 Presidential race (due to federal
campaign finance regulations, you’ll have to read more about that
endorsement by clicking here), and is more than confident that its
endorsed candidate is not simply the better choice of the two;
he is the far better choice. In fact, there can be no doubt;
the man Brady, AHSA, and HSUS have endorsed is the most anti-
gun presidential candidate in American history!

Or more information about Barack Obama’s extremist views
concerning our Second Amendment Rights, please visit
www.GunBanObama.com.

For more information on NRA-PVF’s endorsement and the
candidates’ records, please visit www.NRAPVF.org.

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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 09:04 am
fyi in today's new york times

Quote:
Ruling on Guns Elicits Rebuke From the Right

Four months after the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess guns, its decision is under assault " from the right.

Two prominent federal appeals court judges say that Justice Antonin Scalia’s majority opinion in the case, District of Columbia v. Heller, is illegitimate, activist, poorly reasoned and fueled by politics rather than principle. The 5-to-4 decision in Heller struck down parts of a District of Columbia gun control law.

The judges used what in conservative legal circles are the ultimate fighting words: They said the gun ruling was a right-wing version of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision that identified a constitutional right to abortion. Justice Scalia has said that Roe had no basis in the Constitution and amounted to a judicial imposition of a value judgment that should have been left to state legislatures.

Comparisons of the two decisions, then, seemed calculated to sting.

“The Roe and Heller courts are guilty of the same sins,” one of the two appeals court judges, J. Harvie Wilkinson III, wrote in an article to be published in the spring in The Virginia Law Review.

Similarly, Judge Richard A. Posner, in an article in The New Republic in August, wrote that Heller’s failure to allow the political process to work out varying approaches to gun control that were suited to local conditions “was the mistake that the Supreme Court made when it nationalized abortion rights in Roe v. Wade.”

Sharp criticism of a recent Supreme Court decision by federal appeals court judges is quite unusual, though these two judges " both Reagan appointees " are more outspoken than most.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/21/washington/21guns.html

the article cites the actual criticism if one wishes to read them in their entirety.

nope, no judicial activism here, move along now. move along.

not.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 10:16 am
@kuvasz,
Kuvasz...if you agree with these justices that this is judicial activism, then you also must admit that Roe was judicial activism.

Are you admitting that?
kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 02:19 pm
@maporsche,
No, but Posner and Wilkinson do.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 04:41 pm
@kuvasz,
well I happen to think they are wrong. Neither case is judicial activism.
Always Eleven to him
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 06:35 pm
@maporsche,
According to the Times article:

Quote:
It is too soon to say much about the legacy of Heller. But Judge Wilkinson said that Heller, at a minimum, represented “the worst of missed opportunities " the chance to ground conservative jurisprudence in enduring and consistent principles of restraint.”


If that's true "enduring and consistent principles of restraint", then how does one explain the textualists' willingness to overrule cases that do not comport with their understanding of the "text" of the Constitution or a statute?
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 07:52 pm
@Always Eleven to him,
What cases are you referring to?
Always Eleven to him
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 05:30 am
@maporsche,
For a good discussion of textualists overruling precedent because they feel that statutes were "wrongly interpreted," see Sarah K. Delaney, Stare Decisis v. The "New Majority": The Michigan Supreme Court's Practice of Overruling Precedent, 1998-2002, 66 Alb. L. Rev 871 (2003).
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Always Eleven to him
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 05:39 am
@maporsche,
Oops. I meant to give you a link.

http://www.albanylawreview.org/archives/66/3/StareDecisisvTheNewMajority-TheMichiganSupremeCourtsPracticeofOverrulingPrecedent1998-2002.pdf
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
"OmSigDAVID" wrote:
For my part,
I prefer a natural death
but if the election went the poisonous way,
then America woud no longer exist.
It woud still be around as a solid object,
but as being " the land of the free and the home of the brave "
that woud be over and soon forgotten, as we moved inexorably
into becoming the Borg, united in slavery to the collective.


It won't be that bad, though we will clearly need to be ready to fight off Obama's anti-gun rampages.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:13 pm
@Always Eleven to him,
"Always Eleven to him" wrote:
"Oralloy" wrote:
"Always Eleven to him" wrote:
Please explain how the reasoning is not tortured.


The reasoning simply follows the crystal clear language of the law. The fact that the law doesn't say what you want does not make the reasoning tortured.


But you didn't explain how it follows the "crystal clear language of the law."


It follows it by not deviating from it.




"Always Eleven to him" wrote:
BTW if the language were that "crystal clear," we wouldn't be having this discussion.


This discussion doesn't change the fact that the language is crystal clear.




"Always Eleven to him" wrote:
"Oralloy" wrote:
That is incorrect. The court did not in any way limit the definition of arms so that it excluded military weapons.


How do you explain, then, the Court's definition of arms? “The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity.” Id. (emphasis added) In addition, “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.” Id. at 2791-92.


The court defined arms as all bearable weapons.

Military weapons can be bearable weapons. And if they have civilian use, they are covered under the Second Amendment according to Scalia's ruling.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:24 pm
@kuvasz,
"kuvasz" wrote:
nope, no judicial activism here, move along now. move along.


Well, it is somewhat true that Scalia's ruling didn't reflect the core intent of the Second Amendment. But the only one who would vote to enforce that intent (which would let people have full auto weapons at a minimum) is Clarence Thomas.

Scalia's ruling is a refreshing change from the left's position of violating the Second Amendment completely. He only violates it a little bit.

Those judges that criticize him in the article seem to base their criticism on the notion that constitutional rights should not be binding on states. Given the Fourteenth Amendment, I question their own adherence to a strict interpretation of the Constitution.
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:25 pm
Quote:
Barak Obama Wants to Ban Your Guns


Obama is a threat to this country and all it stands for - he lacks the experience and common sense needed to be president.

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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:27 pm
@Always Eleven to him,
"Always Eleven to him" wrote:
If that's true "enduring and consistent principles of restraint", then how does one explain the textualists' willingness to overrule cases that do not comport with their understanding of the "text" of the Constitution or a statute?


Precedent should never outweigh the meaning of the law. Precedent should be valued only when it does not conflict with the law.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 05:35 pm
@oralloy,
SO STIPULATED.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:58 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Did you even read what youve posted?.
Im a gun owner and Id endorse most of the same proposals.
I read them.
I support the Bill of Rights
a whole lot better than u do, farmer
.

If u brag about your support of naked USURPATIONS of power,
raping the Constitution, your shameless bragging about your disloyalty does not legitimize it.





David
RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 03:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The gun nuts are at it again. They are declaring "I WANT TO KILL SOMETHING" again. That what self defense means to a gun nut.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Om: I support the Bill of Rights a whole lot better than u do, farmer.

Farmer: You do not!

Om: Do too.

Farmer: Do not.

Om: Betcha I do.

Farmer: Betcha don't.

...
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 09:20 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
The gun nuts are at it again. They are declaring "I WANT TO KILL SOMETHING" again. That what self defense means to a gun nut.

I know Freedom Haters are freaks, but try to be a bit less freak if you don't mind.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 09:52 pm
@oralloy,
You're just a propaganda slogans regurgitator, aren't you, Oralboy?
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