Barak Obama Wants to Ban Your Guns

@rosborne979,

"rosborne979" wrote:

Can you provide a link to the actual legislation for this. I want to read it.

Some of his record is calling for bans, not voting for them, so for some of his bans (for instance, the ban on concealed carry) all you can really review is what he said in a speech. This page has a list of various things he has called for:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

In 2005 in the Senate though, Obama did vote for a federal ban on a wide variety of ammo (including most FMJ and military surplus ammo). The text of that legislation is available.

It is somewhat of a pain to get to the legislation text though, since they don't have a link directly to the amendment. You have to pick it out of the Senate record, and that comes from a generated link that expires after a few minutes.

Here is a link to the vote itself:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217

This is the closest URL to the text of the legislation that isn't a generated link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r109:FLD001:S09190

When you get the Senate record, look for "SA 1615. Mr. KENNEDY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 397".

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@rosborne979,

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The real question is where you draw the line....

I'd personally draw the line at the point that AlQuaeda merely possessing something would cause Uncle Sam to take action. In other words, the first time I ever see anybody walking around with anthrax, suitcase nukes, or shoulder-fired AA weapons I call the FBI. You don't need any of that stuff to protect yourself from governments.

Other than that we went for decades and centuries without laws to protect us from lunatics with guns; lunatics were simply kept locked up. Parents protected us from kids with guns and part of how that was done was by allowing kids to see the power of firearms up close at an early age so they quickly understood what they were dealing with. THAT would worry me a lot less than the idea of kids getting to be 15 or 17 on a diet of video games which show graphic mayhem but without any real consequences.

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@OmSigDAVID,

David, if thats your reason to vote for Gramps, go forit, just dont try to make it sound that there is any logic to your case. Just because the 2nd amendment states that possession of guns shall not be infringed, does not mean (IMHO), that there can be NO laws controlling said ownership. Even the first amendment has rules of engagement.

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@farmerman,

There's plenty of laws on the books. Why don't we enforce them?

(answer is so simple it's stupid - see my sig)

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@oralloy,

Quite the feat of logic there.

Obama wants to ban self defense guns because he voted to ban armor piercing surplus military ammo.

You might as well argue that Obama wants to drown babies because he voted to let them go swimming. It makes as much sense.

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@parados,

Oinkbama wants to ban guns so his stupid voting blocks don't all off each other over sneakers, drugs, or who just dissed whose mama or whose woman...

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@gungasnake,

Did you lose your train of thought so you couldn't finish your sentence? Or did you just run out of tracks?

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@parados,

That sentence is grammatically complete.

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@parados,

Obama want's to ban self defense guns (pistols) because he has stated that he supports those bans (see Washington DC, Chicago, New York).

I agree that he might not (probably wouldn't) actively pursue legislation to do this, but if something like the hand gun ban in Chicago crossed his desk I KNOW from his statements that he wouldn't wield the VETO pen.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Obama want's to ban self defense guns (pistols) because he has stated that he supports those bans (see Washington DC, Chicago, New York).

I agree that he might not (probably wouldn't) actively pursue legislation to do this, but if something like the hand gun ban in Chicago crossed his desk I KNOW from his statements that he wouldn't wield the VETO pen.

That's correct. He supports individual State's rights to enact limitations on types of gun ownership.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

He supports limitations on gun ownership period. He's a whipping boy for the Brady bunch and the socialist progressives that haunt our west coast like ghosts of old hippies.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

That sentence is grammatically complete.

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The question some of the libs here should be asking is, aside from guns, when Oinkbama takes over and appoints Oinkdinga as first secretary of the new Department of Public Morality, which they'd have to have under sharia law, what ELSE is likely to get banned?

The ELSE category is likely to include any number of things which liberals would be loath to part with, such as drugs, alcohol, recreational sex, certain kinds of food, you name it.

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@rosborne979,

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I thought Obama SUPPORTED the most recent decision
by the Supreme Court related to gun control

I find it hard to believe that u r sufficiently naive
to believe what a politician says in the heat of a
campaign for election to the presidency.

I suspect that u know
that u need to look deeper than that,
into his voting record (state n federal) and check
his offhand remarks in unguarded moments.

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It appears to me that he wants reasonable controls, not bans.

I 'm confident that if he coud get a complete ban, like England,
he woud do so. Of course, that 'd have no effect on criminals,
only their victims.

Anyway, I doubt that there is such a thing as a "reasonable control"
on the right to defend your life in a predatory emergency
or that the right to life is not constitutionally secured
by equal protection of the laws.

If u wish to challenge that, I 'll be happy to discuss it with u.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I agree with the right to own a gun for self protection. I disagree with the carry laws. But if it was passed with the provision that if an innocent was killed by someone carrying they would automatically recieve the death penality I would be for it. That would cover the law breaker and the " law abideing" citizens.

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@parados,

"parados" wrote:

Quite the feat of logic there.

Nah. It's pretty straightforward.

"parados" wrote:

Obama wants to ban self defense guns because he voted to ban armor piercing surplus military ammo.

First, a note of clarification. The amendment that Obama voted for would have banned a lot more than AP ammo. It would have banned most military surplus ammo, including all FMJ ammo in the following calibers:

.223 Remington
7.62x39 Soviet
.308 Winchester

But since criminals do sometimes use body armor, armor-piercing ammo is related to self defense, and Obama's opposition to AP ammo is opposition to our self defense rights.

Obama's opposition to self-defense is not all down to that one vote though. He also wants to ban guns designed for self-defense, calling them "assault weapons". And he has called for a ban on licensed concealed carry (even if a state government wants to allow it).

"parados" wrote:

You might as well argue that Obama wants to drown babies because he voted to let them go swimming. It makes as much sense.

No it doesn't.

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@oralloy,

So, your argument is now that the ONLY ammunition that can be used for self defense is surplus ammo?

1. most ammo used in handguns is NOT surplus
2. you claimed that banning surplus ammo means he is banning handguns.
Conclusion. Your argument still makes no sense.

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@Cycloptichorn,

" Cycloptichorn" wrote:

That's correct. He supports individual State's rights to enact limitations on types of gun ownership.

When Obama voted for the ban on most military surplus and FMJ ammo, it was a federal ban.

Obama also called for a federal law stripping states of the right to issue concealed carry permits to anyone other than police officers or retired police officers.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Obama also called for a federal law stripping states of the right to issue concealed carry permits to anyone other than police officers or retired police officers.

Your evidence that supports your claim?

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@parados,

"parados" wrote:

So, your argument is now that the ONLY ammunition that can be used for self defense is surplus ammo?

No. I merely state that one of the effects of the legislation that Obama voted for would to ban FMJ ammo in the following calibers:

.223 Remington
7.62x39 Soviet
.308 Winchester

I further state that FMJ ammo in those calibers constitutes most military surplus ammo.

As far as self defense goes, if a criminal is wearing armor, armor-piercing ammo is pretty much the only thing that can be used against them, so people have the right to have armor-piercing ammo for self defense.

"parados" wrote:

1. most ammo used in handguns is NOT surplus

True.

"parados" wrote:

2. you claimed that banning surplus ammo means he is banning handguns.
Conclusion. Your argument still makes no sense.

I said nothing of the sort.

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