Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 10:30 am
@rabel22,
rabel wrote: "But if it was passed with the provision that if an innocent was killed by someone carrying they would automatically recieve the death penality I would be for it."

Automatic death penalty statutes are unconstitutional.
Woodson v. North Carolina, 428 U.S. 280 (1976)
http://supreme.justia.com/us/428/280/case.html
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 10:41 am
@parados,
"parados" wrote:
"oralloy" wrote:
Obama also called for a federal law stripping states of the right to issue concealed carry permits to anyone other than police officers or retired police officers.


Your evidence that supports your claim?


Here:

Quote:
All of the candidates, except Hynes, said they opposed allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons. Hynes and Chico said states, not the federal government, should regulate the matter.

"I consider this an issue for the states to decide, not the federal government," Chico said.

Obama disagreed. He backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

"National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.

http://www.icadp.org/page236.html


-----

All of Obama's anti-gun positions are listed in the link that kicked off the thread:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 10:50 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
The question some of the libs here should be asking is, aside from guns, when Oinkbama takes over and appoints Oinkdinga as first secretary of the new Department of Public Morality, which they'd have to have under sharia law, what ELSE is likely to get banned?

Get a grip on reality Dude.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  3  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 11:32 am
jeez... paranoid much?
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gungasnake
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 12:51 pm
@rosborne979,
Did I mention the theory of evolution being taught in schohols?? I mean, obviously, you can kiss that happy horseshit bye-bye the day after Oinkbama, Oinkdinga, and their slammite legions take over.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:40 pm
@gungasnake,
What is the Moslem position on genetic evolution ?
snood
 
  3  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:36 pm
Barack Obama wants to sleep with your gun.
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gungasnake
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
What is the Moslem position on genetic evolution ?


Slammites view evolution as total bullshit.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 07:52 pm
You know what's funny? I'm considered a dyed in wool leftist around these parts , yet today I drove 300 miles roundtrip to Cabela's in Dundee, Michigan just to purchase a Sig Sauer 9 mm P250 for myself and a Sig Sauer Trailside (.22L) for my wife, and I think its nuts to complain that while Obama publicly supported the SCOTUS on overturning the DC handgun law, yet have people complain that he really didn't.

I had to jump through hoops for my pistol permits here in Michigan, and take a writtten test, yet all I had to do in Georgia was have a negative criminal record sweep done by the FBI to be able to carry a pistol on my hip in public in Georgia.
JTT
 
  2  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 08:03 pm
@kuvasz,
What is most hilarious is that the only ones that are worried are right wingers. Why? They lack the brains to think this thru. They listen to the NRA types and go ballistic over nothing.

I know no one is going to take away my guns so there's nothing to worry about.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 09:36 pm
@kuvasz,
kuvasz wrote:
and I think its nuts to complain that while Obama publicly supported the SCOTUS on overturning the DC handgun law, yet have people complain that he really didn't.


Obama has a pretty strong record indicating he is a gun banner. His cursory statements about supporting the Second Amendment do not outweigh this record.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 09:39 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
What is most hilarious is that the only ones that are worried are right wingers. Why? They lack the brains to think this thru. They listen to the NRA types and go ballistic over nothing.

I know no one is going to take away my guns so there's nothing to worry about.


Obama's record as a gun banner shows that you are completely wrong.
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 06:25 am
@JTT,
JTT, could you just answer 1 question for me.

If a bill came across Obama's desk that would require his signature to become law, and that bill said that each state was allowed to inact legislation that would ban a type or several types of firearms (pistols, assault rifles, etc), would he sign it (meaning that states could ban types of firearms), or would he veto it (meaning that states could not ban types of firearms).

Obama is two faced on this issue, he says he supports the SCOTUS decision, but in the next breath says that he supports the rights of states/cities to ban pistols. The Heller decision said that states/cities DO NOT have the right to ban pistols.

Obama is supporting both positions on this issue with his rhetoric but only the banning side with his voting record.
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kuvasz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 08:01 am
@oralloy,
prove it
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 08:30 am
@JTT,
Quote:

What is most hilarious
is that the only ones that are worried are right wingers.

There is no humor in smug overconfidence.

If Obama and Diane Feinstein coud POSSIBLY to anything
to disarm the populace (as has already been done in England),
thay will actually DO it and write it off to unexplained public safety,
pretending that this will stop criminals from arming themselves.
Many repressionists of the right to self defense admit that their only
goal in disarming the innocent people is to make it "a little harder"
for criminals to arm themselves, and for THAT thay wish
to sacrifice the inalienable right of every citizen to defend
his life and family.
Obama hates guns ; obama hates self defense, as the English
and the Europeans do.


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rabel22
 
  1  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 09:43 am
@Debra Law,
So why dont we change the constitution to make it legal. We have changed the constitution many times in the past for far less important reasons.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 10:06 am
@kuvasz,
"kuvasz" wrote:
prove it


I linked to Obama's extreme anti-gun record in the post that kicked off the thread, and have also linked to it again multiple times in the thread already, including on this page (referring to page 3, in case my post rolls over to page 4).

Try scrolling up a bit. I don't think you'll have trouble finding it.
kuvasz
 
  1  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 10:27 am
@oralloy,
he supports legislation to keep firearms from criminals as well as assault weapons? and THAT is what you describe as having the man as being against firearm possession?

Your objection and definition of reality is too stupid for a response.
gungasnake
 
  0  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 10:33 am
@kuvasz,
Quote:
You know what's funny? I'm considered a dyed in wool leftist around these parts , yet today I drove 300 miles roundtrip to Cabela's in Dundee, Michigan just to purchase a Sig Sauer 9 mm P250 for myself and a Sig Sauer Trailside (.22L) for my wife...


And if you're lucky Oinkbama and Oinkdinga and their slammite legions will let you keep your tallywhacker when they come for the two pistols...
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 10:50 am
@kuvasz,
"kuvasz" wrote:
he supports legislation to keep firearms from criminals as well as assault weapons? and THAT is what you describe as having the man as being against firearm possession?


What you call "assault weapons" are guns designed for self-defense. Obama wants to ban self-defense weapons.

And Obama has many other proposals besides just that. He also wants to ban ammo designed for self defense, he wants a federal law barring states from issuing concealed weapons permits, he want to make it a hassle for law abiding citizens to purchase a gun, he wants to allow people to use frivolous lawsuits to drive gun manufacturers out of business, etc.



"kuvasz" wrote:
Your objection and definition of reality is too stupid for a response.


You get rather childish when people point out the fact that Obama has an extremely long anti-gun record.
 

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