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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well, I don't know if nothing should happen. I don't want anything to happen, but what do I know?

I want our elected officials to be in Washington, doing the due dilligence that we elected them for, and are currently paying them for, so that they can decide, with access to many more experts and much more information than I have (or am interested in), what is best for our country.

But to answer your comment about my post. I would rather nothing happened than this being put to a vote w/o the necessary legwork and thought being put into this. We rushed into war w/o thinking and doing the legwork, and this bailout bill is happening even faster than the war did. We need to slow it down, and our elected officals need to spend A LOT of time making sure that whatever decision is made (yes or no) is the right one for the taxpayers.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:25 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

barackman28 wrote:

"Neither Obama or McCain is an Economic genius" says Cyclopichorn. ... Senator Obama is a graduate of Columbia University, Harvard Law School and has taught at one of the best Law Schools in the country--The University of Chicago.


Bingo, joe -- you have a winner!

Like a fingerprint he is.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:28 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Well, I don't know if nothing should happen. I don't want anything to happen, but what do I know?

I want our elected officials to be in Washington, doing the due dilligence that we elected them for, and are currently paying them for, so that they can decide, with access to many more experts and much more information than I have (or am interested in), what is best for our country.

But to answer your comment about my post. I would rather nothing happened than this being put to a vote w/o the necessary legwork and thought being put into this. We rushed into war w/o thinking and doing the legwork, and this bailout bill is happening even faster than the war did. We need to slow it down, and our elected officals need to spend A LOT of time making sure that whatever decision is made (yes or no) is the right one for the taxpayers.


Okay, good position. But does that mean that the debates can't go forward? That we need to put the election on hold?

No, it does not. This was nothing but a transparent ploy by McCain. There was no leadership displayed by him - just meddling and politics.

There's no reason the candidates couldn't work on the problem AND debate, none at all.

Cycloptichorn
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barackman28
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:46 pm
@JPB,
The radar and instincts you referred to are way off. Are you afraid of taking any of my statements toshow that they are wrong or misleading? I am being truthful. Can you deny that.

I will reiterate and, if you can do so, show where my statement is incorrect--

"Senator Obama graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School. He has taught at the University of Chicago which is one of the ten best Law Schools in the county. Because of his scholastic background, IN ADDITION toworking as a community organizer, an Illinois legislator and a US Senator, I am sure that he has far far more Economicsmarts than McCain"


Now, JPB, instead of just blowing off gas, critique that statement. If you cannot, I do understand.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 02:20 pm
@barackman28,
nope, not gonna bite. No way, no how. Ok -- just a nibble. Economicsmarts has nothing to do with law school. So, where did McCain get his degree in economics? Have fun -- when do we start seeing Rasmussen posts on every thread?
barackman28
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 02:36 pm
@JPB,
Economic Smarts have NOTHING to do with law school?

I don't think you know much about law schools, do you?

Here are some course titles from Yale Law School.

"Federal IncomeTax"

"Business Organization and Activity"

"Law and Economics of Corporate Control"

"Trusts and Estates: Family Wealth Transmission"

"Land Transactions'

I am certain that Harvard's course list has more that are about Economics


Senator Obama, as President of the Law Review at Harvard( you know what that is and what the President does, Ihope) read and re-read every article submitted to that Review. Would you like list of the articles publishedand their relationship toEconomics.

Now,I don't know how many Economics courses Senator Obama had at Columbia but I am sure he took some.

I respectfully suggest that you check out Law School curriculum.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 02:38 pm
@barackman28,
Yer kind of a condescending prick, aren't ya...

All of our top economists were law professors, yes?
barackman28
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 02:44 pm
@Rockhead,
No, they were not, but anyone who thinks that law is not fundamentally tied to Economics just hasn't listened to any legal scholars at the University of Chicago.

Why is everyone attempting to dumb down Senator Obama? When the Clintons were in office, everyone kept telling us how brilliant both of them were. I don't believe the Clintons were even on Law Review much less President of the Law Review!
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 03:07 pm
@barackman28,
I don't think the theories behing economics are tied to the law AT ALL.

Yes, Obama could probably read the law and defend some sort of land deal. But why does Obama's ability to practice law in our country, qualify him to be a good economist?

They are two completely separate disciplines; there is no relation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 03:10 pm
@maporsche,
But many laws are tied to economics. They cannot be separate, or we would have chaos.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 03:11 pm
@maporsche,
map -- remember how surprised you were to discover that notasoccermom was Roxx? b-man isn't roxx but he's got enough historical entities here (strong conservative, btw) that getting into a circular discussion with him is pointless. Save your breath. Even obama supporters aren't buying his shtick.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No....not really.

There are no laws that deal with the theories behind economics. And that's what we're really talking about here.

There are laws about how those theories are implemented, but not about what the theories are or how they work.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 03:41 pm
@JPB,
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:14 pm
@maporsche,
Economics

n.
1. (used with a sing. verb) The social science that deals with the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services and with the theory and management of economies or economic systems.
2. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Economic matters, especially relevant financial considerations: “Economics are slowly killing the family farm” (Christian Science Monitor).

That would be through laws, both domestic and international.
squinney
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:21 pm
@JPB,
Gawd I am so slow with that crap. Thanks for the heads up. I got it now.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What I'm saying is the ability to read/write laws does not make some a good economist. I can read and write numbers; doesn't make me a mathmatician.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:47 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

What I'm saying is the ability to read/write laws does not make some a good economist. I can read and write numbers; doesn't make me a mathmatician.


It's not just the ability to read or write laws; it's the ability to dissect complicated situations and apply complex theories to their various components, in order to come up with a logically sound answer. And that skill is most definitely a large portion of Law school.

Now, does this make Obama a master economist? Hardly. But it does give him the tools he needs in order to be one. I haven't see anything of the sort out of McCain, who never met a problem he couldn't over-simplify, or answer with a hasty decision.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:49 pm
@maporsche,
The CPA exam in California includes a section on Business Law.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:51 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

What I'm saying is the ability to read/write laws does not make some a good economist. I can read and write numbers; doesn't make me a mathmatician.


Cycloptichorn is correct. Law training is heavy on logic.

However, you too have a point about being able to write laws as evidenced by Gramm who came up with the deregulation scheme in 1999 that has lead to this "crisis" and is now in the McCain camp. Gramm probably would have benefited from some law classes. He's certainly no economist.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 04:59 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
fair enough. So what training does Obama have that would help him understand those theories? He may very well think logically, but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't understand economic theory. Not saying Obama couldn't be an economist; he seems plenty smart enough, but it's not quite as simple as reading an ECO121 book.
 

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