The Case Against John McCain

who can lay out the best case as to why McCain should not be President?

He will continue bushs' war policies.... that's all that's necessary for him to lose me....

John McCain said Monday that to win the White House he must convince a war-weary country that U.S. policy in Iraq is succeeding. If he can't, "then I lose. I lose," the Republican said.

who can lay out the best case as to why McCain should not be President?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

who can lay out the best case as to why McCain should not be President?

I can't think of any reasons why McCain should not be President, in fact he will make a fine president.

"McCain has famously said he'd like to stay in Iraq '100 years' or longer. Now, the Republican party, sensing the extreme error made by McCain, has got their hackles up and claims this is dishonest, that he only wants to stay if things are peaceful. "

And you know it is at the minimum intellectually dishonest or you are just ignorant to the context of the statement.

He NEVER said he would "LIKE TO STAY".

But go ahead. This is gonna be fun

I like the part about McCains "shady friends".

woiyo wrote:

"McCain has famously said he'd like to stay in Iraq '100 years' or longer. Now, the Republican party, sensing the extreme error made by McCain, has got their hackles up and claims this is dishonest, that he only wants to stay if things are peaceful. "

And you know it is at the minimum intellectually dishonest or you are just ignorant to the context of the statement.

He NEVER said he would "LIKE TO STAY".

But go ahead. This is gonna be fun

I like the part about McCains "shady friends".

Like to stay, willing to stay, whatever. He wants to stay in Iraq for a long, long time. No argument about that.

There was no context to that statement whatsoever which matters in the slightest.

Cycloptichorn

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who can lay out the best case as to why McCain should not be President?

Me. He's an @$$ 'ole.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:

"McCain has famously said he'd like to stay in Iraq '100 years' or longer. Now, the Republican party, sensing the extreme error made by McCain, has got their hackles up and claims this is dishonest, that he only wants to stay if things are peaceful. "

And you know it is at the minimum intellectually dishonest or you are just ignorant to the context of the statement.

He NEVER said he would "LIKE TO STAY".

But go ahead. This is gonna be fun

I like the part about McCains "shady friends".

Like to stay, willing to stay, whatever. He wants to stay in Iraq for a long, long time. No argument about that.

There was no context to that statement whatsoever which matters in the slightest.

Cycloptichorn

Sure it matters, at least to people who want to be honest in their debate.

Fear not, attached is a 6 min link to the entire question/answer session.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=mccain%2C%20100%20years%20in%20iraq&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv

woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:

"McCain has famously said he'd like to stay in Iraq '100 years' or longer. Now, the Republican party, sensing the extreme error made by McCain, has got their hackles up and claims this is dishonest, that he only wants to stay if things are peaceful. "

And you know it is at the minimum intellectually dishonest or you are just ignorant to the context of the statement.

He NEVER said he would "LIKE TO STAY".

But go ahead. This is gonna be fun

I like the part about McCains "shady friends".

Like to stay, willing to stay, whatever. He wants to stay in Iraq for a long, long time. No argument about that.

There was no context to that statement whatsoever which matters in the slightest.

Cycloptichorn

Sure it matters, at least to people who want to be honest in their debate.

Fear not, attached is a 6 min link to the entire question/answer session.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=mccain%2C%20100%20years%20in%20iraq&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv

It doesn't matter. He has said this on more then one occasion, and has not qualified his statement on every occasion.

Here's a video of the many times he's made this stupid statement

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/191902.php

Nice try though, thanks for playing!

Cycloptichorn

Let me clarify - there was nothing in the context of ANY of the times he's made the stupid statement, to make it any less stupid. I wonder if you could point out which part you think excuses it. I doubt you will be able to do so.

It doesn't 'matter' in that the context doesn't help him.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Let me clarify - there was nothing in the context of ANY of the times he's made the stupid statement, to make it any less stupid. I wonder if you could point out which part you think excuses it. I doubt you will be able to do so.

It doesn't 'matter' in that the context doesn't help him.

Cycloptichorn

I will not disect words and play your silly game. The live video is all any objective observer needs to see to understand the statement. Wether you agree with the statement is another matter.

As mentioned earlier, there is a real contrast in policies regarding Iraq between McCain and Obama. Be real.

woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Let me clarify - there was nothing in the context of ANY of the times he's made the stupid statement, to make it any less stupid. I wonder if you could point out which part you think excuses it. I doubt you will be able to do so.

It doesn't 'matter' in that the context doesn't help him.

Cycloptichorn

I will not disect words and play your silly game. The live video is all any objective observer needs to see to understand the statement. Wether you agree with the statement is another matter.

As mentioned earlier, there is a real contrast in policies regarding Iraq between McCain and Obama. Be real.

McCain's statement doesn't exonerate him, and the fact is that he made the statement several times in several places; and NONE of what he said exonerates him.

Oh, I agree - there is a major contrast in policies. But not to McCain's benefit, as the majority of Americans disagree with him.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Let me clarify - there was nothing in the context of ANY of the times he's made the stupid statement, to make it any less stupid. I wonder if you could point out which part you think excuses it. I doubt you will be able to do so.

It doesn't 'matter' in that the context doesn't help him.

Cycloptichorn

I will not disect words and play your silly game. The live video is all any objective observer needs to see to understand the statement. Wether you agree with the statement is another matter.

As mentioned earlier, there is a real contrast in policies regarding Iraq between McCain and Obama. Be real.

McCain's statement doesn't exonerate him, and the fact is that he made the statement several times in several places; and NONE of what he said exonerates him.

Oh, I agree - there is a major contrast in policies. But not to McCain's benefit, as the majority of Americans disagree with him.

Cycloptichorn

I do not think you understand the differences, else you would have made a better argument.

The case against McCain would be that you would want troop withdrawals from Iraq over a 6 month period and re-deploy them in Afganistan. That basically is Obamas plan. Not a bad plan except, there is no anticipation or discussion on Obamas plan as to what will happen once US Troops leave Iraq.

McCain seems to favor a longer period of US presence using a forward thinking anticipation or worst case scenarios and trying to minimize casualties and maximizing training and support of Iraq troops.

Well, in my opinion, both plans suck! Yet, one of them will inherit this mess and you will need to decide who the stronger person to be the CIC will be.

An inexperienced person or an experienced person.

Just remember, for the last 16 years, we had inexperienced CIC's and look at where they led this Nation.

woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Let me clarify - there was nothing in the context of ANY of the times he's made the stupid statement, to make it any less stupid. I wonder if you could point out which part you think excuses it. I doubt you will be able to do so.

It doesn't 'matter' in that the context doesn't help him.

Cycloptichorn

I will not disect words and play your silly game. The live video is all any objective observer needs to see to understand the statement. Wether you agree with the statement is another matter.

As mentioned earlier, there is a real contrast in policies regarding Iraq between McCain and Obama. Be real.

McCain's statement doesn't exonerate him, and the fact is that he made the statement several times in several places; and NONE of what he said exonerates him.

Oh, I agree - there is a major contrast in policies. But not to McCain's benefit, as the majority of Americans disagree with him.

Cycloptichorn

I do not think you understand the differences, else you would have made a better argument.

The case against McCain would be that you would want troop withdrawals from Iraq over a 6 month period and re-deploy them in Afganistan. That basically is Obamas plan. Not a bad plan except, there is no anticipation or discussion on Obamas plan as to what will happen once US Troops leave Iraq.

McCain seems to favor a longer period of US presence using a forward thinking anticipation or worst case scenarios and trying to minimize casualties and maximizing training and support of Iraq troops.

Well, in my opinion, both plans suck! Yet, one of them will inherit this mess and you will need to decide who the stronger person to be the CIC will be.

An inexperienced person or an experienced person.

Just remember, for the last 16 years, we had inexperienced CIC's and look at where they led this Nation.

Please detail me McCain's experience leading and directing the United States armed forces. Because it seems to me that neither candidate has much experience doing such a thing. McCain certainly has not shown any real grasp of strategy that Obama hasn't.

Cycloptichorn