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McCain and Palin: The Pretenders are Unfit to Lead

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Sep, 2008 09:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
When? Who and what year?

Also, what has "Increase the world supply and the price for everyone goes down.
Decrease the world supply and the price goes up for everyone?"
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 02:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 3400307)
When? Who and what year?

The Law of Supply & Demand is a general principle of economics.
Your questions are like asking
when, for whom and in what year the principles of arithmetic apply.





Quote:
Also, what has "Increase the world supply and the price for everyone goes down.
Decrease the world supply and the price goes up for everyone?"

Whatever your question is
fails to be clear enuf to be understood.





David
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 03:49 pm
@ican711nm,
What specific changes is Obama actually going to try and accomplish? Are these changes better or worse for the USA than the changes McCain is actually going to try and accomplish?

The USA is a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country with lots of problems. The USA will achieve perfection when none of the people in the USA perpetrate criminal acts. We have been working on that ever since 1776 with steps forward and steps backward. Name a country of over 300 million that is doing a better job at that now.

Is America more or less likely to be a more or less of a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country, if Obama is president than if McCain is President.

Why do you think so?

Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 04:06 pm
@ican711nm,
"What specific changes is Obama actually going to try and accomplish? Are these changes better or worse for the USA than the changes McCain is actually going to try and accomplish?"
No sane person in this world that Obama will change a system which had its growth for the last 100 years.
But every one around the globe to stop this degrading development which make USA a pitiable State( Power)
But no one in this world belive a old person like McCain who was a part of this dilapidated system for the last 25 years can change anything..
So "going to change or try to change" is ahope not based on his past contribution to the society.
USA will survive whether McCain or Obama is at the helm of offairs.
Better put a stop than allowing the downfall or degradation.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 07:40 pm
@Ramafuchs,
Your response to the questions I asked are obvious excuses for avoiding answering my questions . Your response implies that you lack knowledge of an Obama plan.

But I'll try again, to see if anyone here has even a clue.

What specific changes is Obama actually going to TRY and accomplish? Are these changes better or worse for the USA than the changes McCain is actually going to try and accomplish?

The USA is a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country with lots of problems. The USA will achieve perfection when none of the people in the USA perpetrate criminal acts. We have been working on that ever since 1776 with steps forward and steps backward. Name a country of over 300 million that is doing a better job at that now.

Is America more or less likely to be a more or less of a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country, if Obama is president than if McCain is President.

Why do you think so?

Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 11:25 pm
Check out McCain's many inconsistencies. Is he losing his marbles? Is he suffering from the onset of alzheimers? What do you think?

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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 02:51 am
Wall Street Journal
September 19, 2008
McCain's Scapegoat

EXCERPT:

Quote:
. . . [McCain's] assault on Mr. Cox is both false and deeply unfair. It's also un-Presidential. . .

In a crisis, voters want steady, calm leadership, not easy, misleading answers that will do nothing to help. Mr. McCain is sounding like a candidate searching for a political foil rather than a genuine solution. He'll never beat Mr. Obama by running as an angry populist like Al Gore, circa 2000.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178318884054675.html

Wall Street Journal blasts John McCain
FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:

EXCERPT:

Quote:
When you graduate 894th out of a class of 899, eventually it will show up.

And John McCain’s mediocre performance at the Naval Academy is showing up big time this week in his total lack of understanding of the nation’s financial crisis.

He told us he didn’t know much about the economy… now he’s proving it.

So much so that the Wall Street Journal, perhaps America’s leading financial publication, is blasting McCain over what its editorial board sees as inaccurate and, “unpresidential” comments about the crisis in America’s financial system.

If you’re a Republican running for president of the United States and the Wall Street Journal basically says you’re an incompetent buffoon, you’re in serious trouble....


http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/how-does-the-wsj-article-affect-mccain/



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 05:25 pm
@Debra Law,
We've had an incompetent buffoon in the white house for the past eight years, and conservatives want four more years of the same. Go figure.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
By how the polls are showing that McCain still has a chance of winning the white house, conservatives want to ensure the destruction of our country. They still don't see the damage done by Bush.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI wrote: "By how the polls are showing that McCain still has a chance of winning the white house, conservatives want to ensure the destruction of our country. They still don't see the damage done by Bush."

Oh. I think they see it, they just don't care. Why? Because they know the pretender McCain's rally against corporate greed is pure rhetoric. The real McCain, if elected, will ensure that the unregulated free-market greed-mongers will continue to financially rape America at taxpayer expense.

In truth and in practice, the "conservatives" are all about selfish greed--putting the nation's wealth in their own pockets and imposing their alleged "social morals" on others through the operation of our laws.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 03:30 pm
@Debra Law,
But that's so short-sighted even for the very greedy; it'll destroy our economy, and all their money will be worthless. What will they buy if the production of goods and services disappear because all factories close down, retail stores close, and our infrastructure is so damaged, you can't drive on our roads (many are already in that condition)?
Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Absolutely, short-sighted. But conservatives are not known to be long-term visionaries. Take a look at the "social conservatives" whose goal it is to stack the Supreme Court with judges who share their ideology for the purpose of overruling Roe v. Wade. They are so myopic that they fail to realize the ramifications. They ignore the rational argument: "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it."

If an individual does not have a right secured by the constitution to determine his/her own procreative destiny--if this matter is subject to state control--then the state could go either way. It's a two-edged sword. The state could very well mandate sterilizations and abortions to serve a compelling state interest in population control and conserving limited state resources. After all, the Constitution does NOT recognize a fertilized egg or fetus at any point of its development as a "person" entitled to the right to life. Even the social conservative's idol, Justice Scalia, recognizes that:

Justice Scalia On The Record

Quote:
"My job is to interpret the Constitution accurately. And indeed, there are anti-abortion people who think that the constitution requires a state to prohibit abortion. They say that the Equal Protection Clause requires that you treat a helpless human being that's still in the womb the way you treat other human beings. I think that's wrong. I think when the Constitution says that persons are entitled to equal protection of the laws, I think it clearly means walking-around persons."


60 Minutes Interview
Aired Sept. 14, 2008

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/24/60minutes/main4040290_page6.shtml




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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 06:51 pm
It seems that you can't even fool dumb Republican voters all the time.

Quote:


McCain Seen as Less Likely to Bring Change, Poll Finds

By ROBIN TONER and ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: September 18, 2008

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But so far, the poll suggests, the boost has not gone far beyond that. The poll found that even now, voters are much more likely to identify Mr. Obama " and not Mr. McCain " as someone who would bring change to Washington. He is widely viewed as someone who would continue or expand President Bush’s policies in office.

And the New York Times/CBS News poll found no evidence, at least to date, that Ms. Palin has allowed Mr. McCain to expand his appeal to women voters or independent voters. Polls taken immediately after the convention had found evidence of a sharp increase in support for Mr. McCain among white women, but this poll suggests that that effect was, so far at least, limited. White women were evenly divided between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama; before the conventions, Mr. McCain led Mr. Obama among white women, 44 percent to 37 percent.

Indeed, in many ways it was as if the past action-packed month " with two conventions and two vice presidential selections " almost did not happen at all. The Times/CBS News poll found the contest is be about where it was before the two conventions and before the vice-presidential selections: Mr. Obama had the support of 48 percent of registered voters, compared with 43 percent for Mr. McCain, a difference within the poll’s margin of sampling error, and statistically unchanged from the tally in the last New York Times/CBS News poll, in mid-August.

The poll was taken during a period of extraordinary turmoil on Wall Street. By overwhelming numbers, Americans said the economy was the top issue affecting their vote decision, and they continued to express deep pessimism about the nation’s economic future. They continued to express greater confidence in Mr. Obama’s ability to manage the economy, even as Mr. McCain has aggressively sought to raise doubts about it.

This poll found evidence of concern about Ms. Palin’s qualifications to be president, particularly compared with Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, Mr. Obama’s running mate. More than 6 in 10 said they would be concerned if Mr. McCain could not finish his term and Ms. Palin had to take over. In contrast, two-thirds of voters surveyed said Mr. Biden would be qualified to take over for Mr. Obama, a figure that cut across party lines.

And 75 percent said they thought Mr. McCain had picked Ms. Palin more to help him win the election than because he thought that she was well qualified to be president;

John McCain, pandering to the right wing base, pandering to anyone, perish the thought. He's the maverick!

by contrast, 31 percent said they thought that Mr. Obama had picked Mr. Biden more to help him win the election, while 57 percent said it was because he thought Mr. Biden was well qualified for the job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/us/politics/19pollcnd.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Poll%20Palin&st=cse&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 08:13 pm
McCain and Palin: The Pretenders are Unfit to Lead. And Carly thinks so too.

Quote:

Days after embarrassing McCain, Fiorina abruptly cancels appearance at GOP rally

Earlier this week, after McCain economic adviser Carly Fiorina bluntly declared that neither Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) nor Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin were capable of running a major corporation, McCain campaign officials told CNN that Fiorina would “disappear” because McCain was “furious” at her comments. Though the official said “disappear” meant that she “would be off TV for a while,” Fiorina’s appearance at a Republican rally in Florida was abruptly canceled on Friday:

Former Hewlett-Packard chief Carly Fiorina, the scheduled keynote speaker for Saturday’s Republican rally in Estero, was noticeably absent.

Ruth Rodrigues of the Florida Federation of Republican Women, District 7 in Lee County, said campaign officials for presidential nominee John McCain called Friday to tell her Fiorina would not be attending the event where she was scheduled to be the main attraction.

An organizer for the event said that “Fiorina’s appearance was organized by the McCain campaign, and canceled by it.” The McCain campaign gave “no reason for the change.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/fiorina-no-show/

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 08:16 pm
@JTT,
as an aside, I love what dowd (I think it was her) said.......Fiorina is not capable of running a major corporation either. She was a disaster at HP. She might be taking a power after getting tired of everyone laughing at her.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:01 am
@hawkeye10,
Hey, quit laughing at Fiorina. She walked away with $21 million after her disastrous term at HP; that's the republican way to run business - the same way they run our government and taxpayer money.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 12:40 pm
@ican711nm,
I'll try again, to see if anyone here has even a clue.

What specific changes is Obama actually going to TRY and accomplish? Are these changes better or worse for the USA than the changes McCain is actually going to try and accomplish?

Why do you think so?

The USA is a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country with lots of problems. The USA will achieve perfection when none of the people in the USA perpetrate criminal acts. We have been working on that ever since 1776 with steps forward and steps backward. Name a country of over 300 million that is doing a better job at that now.

Why do you think so?

Is America more or less likely to be a more or less of a people controlled, freedom defending, charitable country, if Obama is president than if McCain is President.

Why do you think so?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 12:44 pm
@ican711nm,
"Anyone here with a clue?" ROFL
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 02:34 pm
@ican711nm,
ican wrote: "What specific changes is Obama actually going to TRY and accomplish? Are these changes better or worse for the USA than the changes McCain is actually going to try and accomplish?"

For one thing, I don't know of ANY changes that McCain is actually going to try and accomplish. The only significant policy that differs from the typical Bush policy is McCain's proposed healthcare proposal. McCain proposes to give each individual a $2,500 income tax CREDIT and each family a $5,000 income tax CREDIT to offset the cost of health insurance. A tax credit is a specific reduction in tax liability. The taxpayer applies the credit after the amount of tax liability is calculated.

For people who do NOT have health insurance through their employers, these people theoretically will use the money they save in income taxes (in the form of a credit) to purchase health insurance on the open market. This theory, however, defies the reality that financially strapped families still will not have the financial means to purchase health insurance on the open market when the average plan costs $12,000 a year.

For people who have health insurance through their employers, the VALUE of their health insurance will be TAXED as income and employer tax incentives to offer health insurance will be eliminated. This will result in a $3.6 trillion tax increase on working families. The plan is designed to reduce the cost of labor for businesses and to force workers to buy their health insurance in the "free market." Families will be forced to buy cheap plans with limited coverage making catastophic healthcare coverage unavailable to most lower and middle class families. In other words, only the rich will have the financial means to endure a major illness or injury. Again, McCain's plan this is another example of Republican trickle down economics. If business is not strapped with the cost of paying healthcare benefits to employees, business will make more profit, and that prosperity at the top echelons of society will theoretically trickle down and benefit those at the bottom.

History has repeatedly shown us, however, that trickle down economics has been a dismal failure. (The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.)

Obama, on the other hand, will work to rebuild this country from the BOTTOM UP and strengthen our middle class working families. The strength of our economy and our democratic society depends on the strength of our middle class. If the middle class is eroded, then the prosperity of our country plummets.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 02:36 pm
@Debra Law,
McCain said he would "freeze all spending except defense and veteran's benefits..." This guy doesn't really know how our government and economy works.
 

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