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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2008 08:08 pm
@okie,
You continually prove your ignorance. You must have the same gene as McCain.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 07:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
Why would a socialist seek to make his followers better off? They would all become conservatives. The poorest constituencies in the UK all have large majorities for the socialist MPs who "represent" them.

Mrs Thatcher introduced the property owning democracy by selling council tenants their houses at half price in order to achieve a permanent conservative government. Loans were easily granted as the tenants had 50% deposits built in without having to raise a penny. She also made it a duty of councils to provide free housing for girls who presented themselves with a baby.

Now that's what I call women's rights. Is Mr Obama in favour of that sort of thing?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 08:05 am
@spendius,
How is that permanent conservative government working out for you Spendi?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 06:46 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk1017d.jpg

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 07:28 pm


Shocked Laughing

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 10:57 am
Proposed caption: Halloween in the Obama years: spread the wealth around.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/Accurizer/HalloweenDemocrat.jpg
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 11:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Is that the same speech where he says "**** taxes"?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 12:17 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Is that the same speech where he says "**** taxes"?


Yes, though that's not a big deal for me. This other one is much, much worse.

Cycloptichorn
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 12:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't think either are a big deal (though "**** taxes" is f-ing hilarious, the **** lobbyists will be pissed). Both are examples of him mangling his words, nothing any candidate is immune to. Nobody would hear that and believe that McCain actually agrees with the things that he is attributing to the Obama campaign "lately saying about western Pennsylvanians". Karl Rove, on the other hand...

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/karl-rove-says-rural-pennsylvanians-r
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:19 pm
As this was reported on three different radio sources yesterday, one of which is not an especially conservative program, and could likely be in next week's news, I am going to post this. It is from the Israel Insider blog and is being circulated as an email today. I am reserving opinion about it until there is further evidence, but what if Obama cannot produce an authentic birth certificate? I do know that there is a pending court case to force him to do so. What would happen then?

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Barack H. Obama II has suspended his campaign for at least two days to go to Hawaii , purportedly to visit his ailing grandmother.

But the sudden trip to the 50th state coincides with an aggressive campaign by Obama nemesis Andy Martin to legally compel Hawaiian authorities to release birth records that Obama has refused to make public.

And, in a separate Federal Circuit Court case filed by Philip Berg in Pennsylvania to force Obama and the Democratic National Committee to prove that the candidate is in fact a "natural born citizen," Obama and the DNC have failed to respond within a federally-mandated 30 day period, opening the door to a procedural argument that failure to respond represents an admission of the plaintiff's claims that the Democratic nominee is a Kenyan and/or Indonesian citizen, but not a "natural born" citizen of the United States.

The sudden Obama decision to visit Hawaii has triggered broad skepticism, coming as it does in the critical last two week of the close election campaign. Obama's 85-year-old maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was first brought into the campaign when he sought to show that she, as a "typical white woman", held what the candidate claimed were racist fears of aggressive black men. He brought her up in the context of saying that he could not disown her -- despite her alleged racism -- any more than he could disown his pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright. Obama visited her only very briefly during his summer vacation in Hawaii , and he didn't visit her when she was in a Honolulu hospital last week. There is no indication that her condition is life-threatening.

But Andy Martin, an anti-Obama columnist, says the real reason for Obama's emergency trip is to stop his own pursuit of birth records, including an emergency writ to the Hawaii Supreme Court to request expedited handling after a previous filing to demand that the State's Department of Health release the records. "Obama did not pay any attention to his grandmother until I showed up in Honolulu ," he wrote in an email. "Suddenly she is the center of his attention. She is so central to his campaign that he has suspended it! But when Obama was here last summer he only visited his grandmother for an hour. One hour! Now he suspends his campaign for her?"

Martin mocked the Obama rationale for delaying his arrival till Thursday: "Obama suddenly announced Monday his grandmother had been gravely ill for weeks. He has his own plane. All he had to do is tell the pilot to file a flight plan for Honolulu and take off.... But instead of rushing to his grandmother's bedside, Obama is waiting until I leave Honolulu before he lands. Ask yourself, "What would I do?" What would you do if you had your own plane and mom or dad suddenly took ill? Would you tell the pilot to set course for Hawai'i , or tell him to wait three (3!) days before coming to your relative's bedside? How sick is she if Obama is will to delay his 'emergency' for three days? Is Obama trying to avoid me? We leave Honolulu Wednesday night and he arrives Thursday. You be the judge."

The Berg-initiated legal action is also pressing the Obama campaign. On September 15, as part of his federal lawsuit contending that the Illinois senator is ineligible, pursuant to the U.S. Constitution, to serve as president of the United States, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg served Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee with a request for admission, which, on October 6, Barack Obama and the DNC acknowledged getting but then attempted to persuade the court to stay discovery and to dismiss the suit. However, Federal Rules require that a response to a request for admissions be served within the 30-day time limit, and Barack Obama and the DNC have not done so.

Therefore, this morning, Berg is filing two motions in district court in Philadelphia: a motion requesting an immediate order deeming his request for admissions served upon Barack Obama and the DNC on September 15 admitted by default, and a motion requesting an expedited ruling and/or hearing on Berg’s motion deeming the request for admissions served upon Obama and the DNC admitted. Berg contends that the failure to respond and serve the response within the time limit is "damning."

“They did not file answers or objections or anything else to the request for admissions we served upon them on September 15,” Berg said. “They knew the admissions were due. They knew they must object or answer specifically in 30 days. Here, they did nothing.”

The admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to, include the following:

-Admit you were born in Kenya .
-Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
-Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii .
-Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
-Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombasa , Kenya .
-Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
-Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
-Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
-Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia .
-Admit you were not born in Hawaii .
-Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia .
-Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
-Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.
-Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
-Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
-Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States .

It is not at all clear that the actions by Berg in Federal court and Martin in Hawaii will be ruled on before the election, but both men have vowed to pursue their cases even after the election if necessary. Berg has said that he would drop his case if Obama simply provides documentary proof of his birth, but to date the candidate has not done so, instead releasing only images of a purported "certification of live birth" to the partisan Daily Kos blog and the sympathetic FactCheck web site.


(Re FactCheck, Freeduck and I have had previous discussions about that. Their staff is stacked with Democrats and there have been observations that FactCheck does tend to favor Democrats and tilts left in its take. It is a division of the Annenberg Public Policy Center funded by the Annenberg Foundation. From what I understand--subject to amendment and correction--the Annenberg Challenge on which Barack Obama and William Ayres sat on the board (and shared an office) was also a part of this network. Annenberg Challenge was instrumental in funneling funds to the infamous ACORN; and, after Obama was in the Illinois legislature, he was instrumental in seeing that millions of dollars were funneled to Annenberg. (Ayres was still there I believe.)
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
Yes, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

C'mon, Fox. This was thoroughly debunked ages ago. (Including the production of an authentic birth certificate.)

And just "purportedly to visit his ailing grandmother" is itself all the sleaze you need.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:36 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Yes, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

C'mon, Fox. This was thoroughly debunked ages ago. (Including the production of an authentic birth certificate.)

And just "purportedly to visit his ailing grandmother" is itself all the sleaze you need.


The fact is Soz that Obama did delay departure to Hawaii for three days after he reported that his grandmother was gravely ill. That could mean something. It could mean nothing. If the report that Obama didn't bother to spend any more time than a gratuitous hour with his grandmother when he was on vacation in Hawaii is correct it could mean something. It could mean nothing. But that in itself, if true, doesn't quite meet the smell test here.

The fact that the issue of the birth certificate is still alive and involved in a filed lawsuit and the birth certificate has not been presented to the judge as yet could mean something. It could mean nothing. The fact that the birth certificate has not been examined by anybody but has been posted on Obama's website, on daily Kos, on FactCheck.org only could mean something. It could mean nothing.

But are you honestly trying to tell me that the questions would not be raised and be plastered all over the internet if Obama was the Republican? Are you saying that the Left didn't try hard to question McCain's valid citizenship since he was born in the Canal Zone? Is a question about the citizenship of the presume next President of the United States a good deal more serious than McCain's misspeaks or Sarah Palin's wardrobe?

I didn't invent this nor am I forwarding the emails until we have more information than is currently available. But it is already out there. If Obama has nothing to hide, it should be fairly easy to dispute it and put it to rest. You would think Obama's rapid response team would be on top of it and eager to put any questions to rest.
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:42 pm
@Foxfyre,
Oh good grief.

Really, when you start saying that FactCheck.org is suspect that's all I need to know. It was a favorite site of Timberlandko, who was hardly a liberal. And FactCheck.org is unequivocal:

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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

If you're saying they're part of a vast left-wing conspiracy, then you're way out in cuckooland again and that's where I try not to follow.
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:56 pm
@sozobe,
This, by the way, is proven false by the above FactCheck entry:

Quote:
Berg has said that he would drop his case if Obama simply provides documentary proof of his birth, but to date the candidate has not done so, instead releasing only images of a purported "certification of live birth" to the partisan Daily Kos blog and the sympathetic FactCheck web site.


The campaign didn't just release "images" of the birth certificate, they released a copy of the actual certificate. (Not "copy" as in scan or xerox but as in "official birth certificate" of the type you'd use for anything that requires one.) That's a quickly provable falsehood.

So all Berg has to go on is accusing FactCheck of lying because they're in the tank for Obama, and that's a tough row to hoe.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:06 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Are you saying that the Left didn't try hard to question McCain's valid citizenship since he was born in the Canal Zone?


Oh, I'll say exactly that. Can you link to the huge amount of questioning of McCain's citizenship that the left put up? Show how it went on for months and months, and how documents produced by the McCain camp were endlessly declared fake, after so-called amateur 'experts' spent weeks and weeks pointing out every 'error' - all of which was bullshit?

No, you can't, b/c the left-wing didn't do that. See, it isn't our side which is banking on a 'disqualification' like yours is. We're just happily watching our quarterback pick your defense apart and your offense crumble on drive after drive, to use a football analogy.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:14 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

This, by the way, is proven false by the above FactCheck entry:

Quote:
Berg has said that he would drop his case if Obama simply provides documentary proof of his birth, but to date the candidate has not done so, instead releasing only images of a purported "certification of live birth" to the partisan Daily Kos blog and the sympathetic FactCheck web site.


The campaign didn't just release "images" of the birth certificate, they released a copy of the actual certificate. (Not "copy" as in scan or xerox but as in "official birth certificate" of the type you'd use for anything that requires one.) That's a quickly provable falsehood.

So all Berg has to go on is accusing FactCheck of lying because they're in the tank for Obama, and that's a tough row to hoe.


How do you know? Do you think FactCheck actually checked with the State of Hawaii to verify the authenticity of the birth certificate? And why hasn't the campaign simply produced that actual certificate to the judge to put that lawsuit to rest? McCain has produced every piece of documentation re his record, credentials, citizenship, etc. that has been requested and there has been no secrecy that I'm aware of. (There was much made during the time Cindy Mccain didn't release her private financial information that John had no part of.)

It seems that it would be very simple for Obama to satisfy the lawsuit in a manner satisfactory to anybody. Certainly a sitting U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate has the clout to obtain an affidavit from the authorities testifying to the authenticity of the document. Here is what FactCheck says they received as authentication:
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The "secrecy" ended when Tommy Vietor at the Obama campaign sent a message to us and other reporters saying, "I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate." A digital image was attached.


They accepted what the Obama campaign gave them as apparently so do you. They also in a roundabout way stated they did not verify it. What evidence is there that it isn't a forgery as skillful as the one Dan Rather attempted to use to discredit George W. Bush?

But that authentic birth certificate presented to the judge, preferably in front of a battery of reporters, and having it ruled authentic, could put this whole thing to rest. It raises a legitimate question why Obama has not done that. And the fact that he is allowing no members of the press to accompany him to Hawaii on this trip also leaves room to speculate if he will be making a trip to the court house trying to come up with something to help him out here.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:22 pm
@Foxfyre,
That is so much BS. Obama released his birth certificate months ago -

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

So much for your "rational" conservatism Fox. Why are you reserving opinion?
Do you think pigs are going to fly or put on lipstick?


The story is complete hogwash. The "suit" has been filed by someone that has filed hundreds of frivolous law suits over the last few years but no court has heard any part of it yet and it will be tossed once a court does look at it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:22 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
It raises a legitimate question why Obama has not done that.


No, it doesn't.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre... that's simply not true.

You don't give a cite for the quote about Tommy Vietor sending the image -- perhaps it's merely out of date and not actively lying. It is one of those two things, though:

Quote:
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.


later

Quote:
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 02:26 pm
@Foxfyre,
Correction. Some members of the press corps will be going to Hawaii, but it has been reported that they will not be allowed to accompany him when he goes to see his grandmother.
 

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