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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 06:55 pm
@Foxfyre,
What evidence do you have that Dodd and the other Democratic Senators didn't support it? I have seen no evidence that says they did or didn't. The only thing we know for sure is that it never made it out of GOP the controlled committee. That doesn't mean the Democrats didn't support it. It could mean the GOP committee chairman didn't support it so it never made it on the agenda for the committee. You are making things up because you want to believe them.

Why is it "interesting" that Pelosi and Frank voted against it? It doesn't support your contention that no democrat supported it. Nor does it provide any evidence that no democrat in the Senate supported it. The only thing "interesting" about it is how you are trying to use it to smear all democrats as being at fault when you have no evidence.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 07:10 pm
@parados,
Yeah, I'd like to see Fox provide "Evidence" for her claims - for a change. That would be really nice.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 11:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 10:17 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

What evidence do you have that Dodd and the other Democratic Senators didn't support it? I have seen no evidence that says they did or didn't. The only thing we know for sure is that it never made it out of GOP the controlled committee. That doesn't mean the Democrats didn't support it. It could mean the GOP committee chairman didn't support it so it never made it on the agenda for the committee. You are making things up because you want to believe them.

Why is it "interesting" that Pelosi and Frank voted against it? It doesn't support your contention that no democrat supported it. Nor does it provide any evidence that no democrat in the Senate supported it. The only thing "interesting" about it is how you are trying to use it to smear all democrats as being at fault when you have no evidence.


Good grief Parados. The evidence is in the record, in the Youtube clips, in the headlines, and source after source after source posted in this thread and in other threads discussing this all over A2K. You're putting me on that you haven't seen all that right? Please tell me you're kidding.

But here are some sources--some from less biased sites than others--the first five I came to--not that I think you will be swayed. There are hundreds more. But maybe those who actually want to know the truth will see it. We can always hope.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-democrat-fingerprints-are-all-over-the-financial-crisis-949653.html

http://www.thenextright.com/category/blog-tags/fannie-mae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDp93LOxc2Y

http://beltwayblips.com/video/explosive_ceo_calling_obama_dems_family_of_fannie_mae/

http://www.borderfirereport.net/warner-todd-huston/media-not-reporting-failed-financial-agencies-are-big-donors-to-obama.html
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 10:23 am
THREE WEEKS TO GO in this election.

The polls have tightened a bit since last week though Obama remains ahead 6.8 on the RCP average, 5 points via Rasmussen, 4 points by a weekend Gallup poll of likely voters.

Interesting commentary on early TV this morning that Tina Faye's regularly skewering of Sarah Palin is having an effect on young voters who don't read newspapers or watch newscasts but do watch Saturday Night Live and believe what they see there. What do you think? Are America's youth that dumbed down?

I'm not confident that the last debate this week will have much effect one way or the other. Some good financial news could, so look for the MSM to skewer or downplay that as much as possible to prevent McCain gaining any advantage there.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 10:35 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

THREE WEEKS TO GO in this election.

The polls have tightened a bit since last week though Obama remains ahead 6.8 on the RCP average, 5 points via Rasmussen, 4 points by a weekend Gallup poll of likely voters.

Interesting commentary on early TV this morning that Tina Faye's regularly skewering of Sarah Palin is having an effect on young voters who don't read newspapers or watch newscasts but do watch Saturday Night Live and believe what they see there. What do you think? Are America's youth that dumbed down?

I'm not confident that the last debate this week will have much effect one way or the other. Some good financial news could, so look for the MSM to skewer or downplay that as much as possible to prevent McCain gaining any advantage there.



The genius of Fay's work is that she has, for the most part, used Palin's exact words. It points out how poor the communication skills of the VP candidate actually are.

I doubt anything other than a major terror attack would change the election at this point...

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 10:57 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I'd say we're at code orange right about now.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-threat-level.jpg

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 11:59 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I disagree; it's now in the red zone.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 12:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
Good grief Fox. You don't seem to know the meaning of "evidence."
Foxfyre wrote:


Good grief Parados. The evidence is in the record, in the Youtube clips, in the headlines, and source after source after source posted in this thread and in other threads discussing this all over A2K. You're putting me on that you haven't seen all that right? Please tell me you're kidding.

But here are some sources--some from less biased sites than others--the first five I came to--not that I think you will be swayed. There are hundreds more. But maybe those who actually want to know the truth will see it. We can always hope.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-democrat-fingerprints-are-all-over-the-financial-crisis-949653.html
An opinion piece that provide no hard evidence of opposition in the Senate. Just the opinion of the author.
No evidence I could find in that mish mash of editorials and statements about Dodd since 2007.
Nice video of OReilly getting facts wrong but no checkable evidence there either.
NO evidence there either since Dodd isn't part of the black caucus. In fact the black caucus is mostly members of the HOUSE and the house passed the legislation in case you forgot that fact.
Partisan BS in trying to associate campaign donations but no facts about Dodd doing anything.

You have done nothing to provide any solid evidence. You have presented op ed pieces and innuendo with no hard facts. I can find lots of videos and opinion pieces about how NASA faked the moon landing. It isn't evidence though.

The simple facts remain.
The GOP controlled the Senate.
The GOP controlled committee in the Senate never got the legislation to the floor.

No evidence of your claim that not a single dem supported it.

Evidence of Dodd not supporting it is
1. Evidence of Dodd voting against it.
2. A statement by Dodd not supporting it
3. A news story (not an op ed) from the time period of 2003-2005 in which someone complains about Dodd not supporting it.
squinney
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 12:19 pm
The speech Obama just made is one of the most powerful I've heard in a long time. What a tremendous difference between him and the speech McCain is now giving.

Obama: Hope, American Dream, achieve,I will..., We can... Together

McCain: Tough, Fight, Afraid, POW scars, I won't..., We can't... They / Them

No boo's whatsoever at Obama's stop. Numerous boo moments at McCains already.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 12:31 pm
@Foxfyre,
btw Fox,

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html

Quote:
As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail....

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

* More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

* Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

* Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.


You are spreading non-factual bullshit again, Fox.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:17 pm
Okay. Democrats post whatever source they wish and declare it valid while not requiring sources at all if they don't happen to have one. On the other hand, no source posted by the McCain side is considered valid by any Democrat but McCain supporters are required to post them anyway.

Everybody have the picture?

So, since that's the way it appears it's going to be, let's move along. This one is pretty funny:



okie
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:31 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Evidence of Dodd not supporting it is
1. Evidence of Dodd voting against it.
2. A statement by Dodd not supporting it
3. A news story (not an op ed) from the time period of 2003-2005 in which someone complains about Dodd not supporting it.

You might try reading what this guy says, who was there on the scene, Parados. I would take his word for it before I would yours or Dodd's, if you want to rank credibility. Its not just his word. It is all over the net. You ask about news story. Is there any news story anymore? I doubt it. All I see are opinions, some classified as news stories, but nothing more than opinions.

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryhubbard0914.artsep14,0,5673162.story

And you might wish to consider watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:42 pm
@okie,
You mean, Al Hubbard, former Bush economic adviser?

Why are we supposed to listen to him, again?

C'mon, Okie. Just b/c the news is bad for Conservatives, doesn't mean that no news exists. You're really being stupid with this argument.

Cycloptichorn
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:49 pm
@Foxfyre,
That's my guy!

We both love pie!

Very Happy
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:49 pm
Obama is great with words, but I'd like him to answer just one question about all his rhetoric.

How?

How will he change Washington D.C.? How will he do any of the things he says he is going to do?

Obama is long on what, short on how.
squinney
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:55 pm
@McGentrix,
Then you haven't been listening.

He just spelled it all out clearly again this morning.

McCains speech on the other hand was the one short on how. Lots of "more jobs" and "I know how to..' but no explanation of how.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 02:03 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Obama is great with words, but I'd like him to answer just one question about all his rhetoric.

How?

How will he change Washington D.C.? How will he do any of the things he says he is going to do?

Obama is long on what, short on how.


Funny, I hear him talk about exactly how he intends to change things with pretty much every speech.

I mean, do you want him to say, 'I'm going to talk to my secretaries, who are going to get the proposals printed, who are going to fax them to Congress...' ? What do you mean 'how?' He's going to do stuff the same way every prez. does: make proposals, gauge reactions, bend Congress to his will.

Did you mean something different?

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 02:12 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:

Then you haven't been listening.

He just spelled it all out clearly again this morning.

McCains speech on the other hand was the one short on how. Lots of "more jobs" and "I know how to..' but no explanation of how.


Oh, I have been listening. It's just that I hear what he says without the beautiful music and trumpet fanfare so many others hear.

No, Obama has not mentioned how.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 02:14 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Funny, I hear him talk about exactly how he intends to change things with pretty much every speech.

I mean, do you want him to say, 'I'm going to talk to my secretaries, who are going to get the proposals printed, who are going to fax them to Congress...' ? What do you mean 'how?' He's going to do stuff the same way every prez. does: make proposals, gauge reactions, bend Congress to his will.

Did you mean something different?

Cycloptichorn


Nah, you hear what you think is how, but it's really something else. Some ambiguous idea or another. He is good at not answering the how issue. Trust me, he has yet to address how.
 

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