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@cicerone imposter,

CI, the President's proposal and the 2006 bill the Democrats rejected was FOR more regulation. The fact is, most Republicans did try to deal with the problem they knew they had. Not a single Democrat would help.

You can't rewrite that one. That's what happened however much you try to put halos on your sainted Democrats. They refused to deal with the problem--in fact threw up major roadblocks to prevent anybody dealing with the problem--and now, like you, are blaming the Republicans because they know a lot of your constituency is often stupid or ignorant enough to believe you.

Well I'm not part of that constituency and I took time to educate myself on what actually happened. I suggest you do the same and if enough people will, we might have a fighting chance to demand that our elected leaders never allow such a thing to happen again.

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@Foxfyre,

Here again, you even mis-represent me: I'm a REGISTERED INDEPENDENT. If McCain hadn't voted for the torture bill, and was the "old" McCain, he would have been my top choice. So, quit your mis-representations and overload of imagination. You are still myopic, blind, and .... (you can fill in the blanks).

You also missed all my comments about "I wish we had two different candidates for this election."

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By BOB HERBERT
Published: October 10, 2008

The lesson for Americans suffused with anxiety and dread over the crackup of the financial markets is that the way you vote matters, that there are real-world consequences when you go into a voting booth and cast that ballot.

For the nitwits who vote for the man or woman they’d most like to have over for dinner, or hang out at a barbecue with, I suggest you take a look at how well your 401(k) is doing, or how easy it will be to meet the mortgage this month, or whether the college fund you’ve been trying to build for your kids is as robust as you’d like it to be.

Voters in the George W. Bush era gave the Republican Party nearly complete control of the federal government. Now the financial markets are in turmoil, top government and corporate leaders are on the verge of panic and scholars are dusting off treatises that analyzed the causes of the Great Depression.

Mr. Bush was never viewed as a policy or intellectual heavyweight. But he seemed like a nicer guy to a lot of voters than Al Gore.

It’s not just the economy. While the United States has been fighting a useless and irresponsible war in Iraq, Afghanistan " the home base of the terrorists who struck us on 9/11 " has been allowed to fall into a state of chaos. Osama bin Laden is still at large. New Orleans is still on its

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Just responding to what you say CI. But since you're back to posting non sequiturs and are back to the personal insults which seems to be the only defense you offer for anything, I'll move on looking for a good discussion. Does it really make you feel more important to be unkind to people? Oh well. Have a good day.

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@Foxfyre,

I'm begging you to "move on." And thank you.

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@cicerone imposter,

By heck ci. You lefties are all over the idea of stifling debate. It seems to be your one constant demand. Eff off.

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@spendius,

spendi, You just don't understand Fox's MO; she cries we're not playing fair, then skoots off into another thread.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

By heck ci. You lefties are all over the idea of stifling debate. It seems to be your one constant demand. Eff off.

What? The "righties" can talk all they want, but it's not their words that hurt us; it's their actions. Our one constant demand has been this: "Quit f____ing up our country, quit screwing the working class people, quit violating the constitution, quit robbing our treasury, and quit killing our kids with all your damn wars, you hypocritical __________s."

Here's a behind the scenes look at the team we have chosen:

I, along with millions of others like me, will be filled with hope and pride when the Obamas and the Bidens are leading this country.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And maybe you missed the point that the committee would never have worried about fast tracking this if it was not for the efforts of the two aforementioned Democrats who demanded that it be fast tracked.

You would have prefered the keep the original time and released it on Oct 31?

Be glad they moved it up 3 weeks rather than 4 days before the election.

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@Foxfyre,

That would be May 5, 2006 when the GOP was in charge . Note that the letter is addressed to Frist and Shelby. Yes, John McCain may have supported it but the GOP let it die.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Yup. And because no Democrat would deal with it, and because of our resident RINOs in Congress, they couldn't get legislation even to the floor for debate, much less a vote in time to head off the worst of the financial collapse.

What nonsense. It's the democrats fault because they weren't in charge?

Why don't you find a new argument Fox. That one is wearing thin. The democrats are not at fault when the GOP is in charge and fails to even get it out of a GOP controlled committee.

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@Debra Law,

Takes onion from pocket.

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@Foxfyre,

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CI, the President's proposal and the 2006 bill the Democrats rejected was FOR more regulation. The fact is, most Republicans did try to deal with the problem they knew they had. Not a single Democrat would help.

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HR 1461 1 . Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005
4/5/2005 Introduced in House
7/14/2005 Reported (Amended) by the Committee on 109-171, Part I.
9/16/2005 Committee on Judiciary discharged.
10/26/2005 Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed by recorded vote: 331 - 90 (Roll no. 547).
10/31/2005 Referred to Senate committee: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

Thomas.loc.gov

That's an interesting statement by you Fox. I didn't realize there were 331 GOP House members in 2005-6. (Only 209 Republicans voted for the bill.)

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You can't rewrite that one. That's what happened however much you try to put halos on your sainted Democrats. They refused to deal with the problem--in fact threw up major roadblocks to prevent anybody dealing with the problem--and now, like you, are blaming the Republicans because they know a lot of your constituency is often stupid or ignorant enough to believe you.

I don't think I want to rewrite anything. You have done more than enough rewriting for both of us.

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Well I'm not part of that constituency and I took time to educate myself on what actually happened.

You educated yourself on what actually happened? Really? Then how did you get the facts so wrong if you are educated on the issue? How many Dems voted for the bill in the House Fox? Tell us, since you think you are educated on the issue. Not only did Dems vote for the bill but the majority of Dems did so.

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Not a single Democrat would help.

I suppose that statement by you is true if you meant it to mean more than one helped. But I doubt that was your intended meaning.

The bill died in a GOP senate committee. It was not killed because not a single Dem supported it. We have no record of whether the GOP even discussed the bill in the Senate committee. They controlled the agenda and the calender. It makes no difference if Dems in the Senate supported it or not if the GOP leadership never brought it up.

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@parados,

Research the entire history Parados and you will see that it never became law and why it did not.

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@Foxfyre,

parados' did research this issue; you are the one lacking any evidence. Good try, but no cupie doll for you! LOL

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@Foxfyre,

LOL.. Oh.. I see. Which part did I miss? I know it didn't become law. You however claimed not a single democrat supported it.

S.190 never made it out of Senate Committee. No one voted on it
HR 1461 never made it out of Senate Committee. 122 Democrats supported it in the house.
The GOP controlled the Senate and the Senate committees at the time.

The entire history shows that some democrats DID support it and some Republicans opposed it. The history also shows that your statements when you claimed you had done research were false.

But go ahead and play your little games about how you know more than anyone else in spite of what the Congressional record really says. It only shows you have not done the research you claimed. Why don't you complain about how mean I am because I presented evidence that contradicted your claim? Rolling Eyes

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@parados,

We have seen Fox make claims on many topics, but never has she provided evidence with her claims. It's so easy to spot her unfounded opinions, it's a game of proving why, and I'm not ready to play her game. She keeps challenging us to "prove it," while she rare, if ever, provides evidence for her's.

Hide and seek, anybody?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

We have seen Fox make claims on many topics, but never has she provided evidence with her claims. It's so easy to spot her unfounded opinions, it's a game of proving why, and I'm not ready to play her game. She keeps challenging us to "prove it," while she rare, if ever, provides evidence for her's.

Hide and seek, anybody?

Up is Down;
War is Peace;
Freedom is Slavery;
Ignorance is Strength;
Palin Abused Power & Violated Ethics Code is Palin Cleared of all Charges;
Transparency & Accountability is Hide & Seek....

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@Debra Law,

Standard practice Debra.

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@parados,

Okay, you are correct. Democrats did support that bill in the House. I was thinking of the process in the Senate, but I didn't specify so I'll give you the points on that one. (I didn't take time to read your post when I responded.) Chris Dodd and other Democrat Senators refused to support it in the Senate which is why it never came out of committee for a vote.

Also, do you know who voted against it in the House? Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank. Interesting no?

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@Foxfyre,

No, not interesting. Pelosi has voted for many of what Bush wanted during the past two years after promising voters they will bring the Iraq war to an end.

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