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But other than the remarks of a few hateful members of the AIP, it just doesn't strike me as a particularly radical, subversive, or extremist organization nor one that is Anti-American. It is very much pro-Alaska.

And while Sarah Palin has been gracious to the AIP as it contains a large chunk of Alaskans, there is no evidence that she was inspired to become a member or that she ever used any of its radical members as mentors, advocates, associates, or spokespersons to help her move up the political ladder.

To the extent Palin has a governing philosophy, it was shaped by her political mentor, former governor Wally Hickel. The 89-year-old Hickel is a member of the Alaska Independence Party, which espouses, among other things, greater autonomy or even separation from the United States. (Husband Todd Palin is not a member of the party now, but he was registered as an AIP voter at different periods of his life totaling seven years. Sarah has never been a member but attended a party conference in her hometown of Wasilla.)

Cyclop I posted the platform. Show me where there is any anti-Americanism in it. Show me that Todd Palin supported the founder or joined when the AIP was first organized. Then you might have an argument. Otherwise, it seems to me that the AIP is just another Independent Party, probably opposed to the GOP and Democrats, but otherwise perfectly respectable.

Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.


The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

Foxfyre wrote:

Cyclop I posted the platform. Show me where there is any anti-Americanism in it. Show me that Todd Palin supported the founder or joined when the AIP was first organized. Then you might have an argument. Otherwise, it seems to me that the AIP is just another Independent Party, probably opposed to the GOP and Democrats, but otherwise perfectly respectable.

Fox, do you even realize that AIP stands for the Alaskan Independence party, not independent party? The two words are significantly different. So don't give me that crap about them being just a bunch of political independents.

It doesn't matter at what point Palin joined, it's a radical, anti-American organization dedicated to getting AK out of America. It doesn't matter one whit what they post on their platform... I mean, let's look at the goals of the AIP:

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Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.


The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

It's 100% fair to say that when you join an organization, you support the ideas of the founder. That's like you claiming that people who join AQ don't really support Bin Laden. The whole purpose of the AIP is to get a vote, in order to get AK out of the US and to return the federal property there to the state.

You didn't respond to your error about Palin's political mentor; who most certainly did join during the formative days of that party. She got her political training from an anti-American radical. Please respond to this point.

Cycloptichorn

Cyclop I posted the platform. Show me where there is any anti-Americanism in it.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Show me that Todd Palin supported the founder or joined when the AIP was first organized. Then you might have an argument.

Otherwise, it seems to me that the AIP is just another Independent Party, probably opposed to the GOP and Democrats, but otherwise perfectly respectable.

The party was founded in 1967. He joined in 1995. It had become a much different animal by that time.

I also would like to point out:

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The party was founded in 1967. He joined in 1995. It had become a much different animal by that time.

Fox, C'mon. Who do you think was the head of the AIP in the 1990's? Joe Vogeler, the same guy who founded it. It wasn't a 'different animal.' It was ran by the same anti-American guy.

Cycloptichorn

UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT
It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copyright. We are presently seeking legal recourse.

Contrary to initial reports, Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party. We stand corrected. We issued a press release today. It is posted here to those members of the media who did not recieve it.

Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.

We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska.

Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Please provide a link Debra. We already know two websites exist that look identical but one is real and one is a counterfeit designed specifically to smear Sarah Palin. You'll need more than something made up by some hateful person to convince me that the AIP is some subversive radical organization.

You'll need more than something made up by some hateful person to convince me that the AIP is some subversive radical organization.

Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

The Alaska Independence Party
By Steve Benen

Sep 2, 2008

THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."