FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

@FreeDuck,

Yes I did. I don't know how to make it any plainer to those who cannot or will not see. (As I said, Obama worshippers don't care what he thinks or are in pretty much total denial.) I am pretty darn sure that those who have the same concerns that I have don't see my comments and responses as in any way ambiguous.

Exactly what is it that you think I don't have the balls to say out loud, and exactly what have I said that make you think that is what I think?

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

No, you didn't. I asked you what specifically you think he's tolerant of that the rest of the country supposedly isn't. You didn't say. I asked you what it is you think he believes that would be unacceptable. You didn't say.

I'm not playing dumb. You want me to catch through innuendo the meaning of something you don't have the balls to say out loud. I'm not going to do it.

She does this **** all the time. Always referring back to some hypothetical previous post which never existed...

Anything to keep the nameless smears and fears going. Nobody is able to point out any individual actions that Obama would take, that they are actually afraid of. And it's not surprising, as they seem silly when said out loud. It's like kids walking in front of a 'haunted' house... they can't name their fears, b/c they are irrational, and would be shaming to name out loud.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Inability to see. Total denial. Pointing the finger and using ad hominem and made up stuff you cannot or will not support to divert. Don't you ever come up with anything original, Cyclop?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Inability to see. Total denial. Pointing the finger and using ad hominem and made up stuff you cannot or will not support to divert. Don't you ever come up with anything original, Cyclop?

You didn't address the article I posted, Fox. Please do so... and then we can get to this latest piffle of yours.

I predict that you don't have what it takes to actually address the issue, Fox. That you are too weak to do so. Prove me wrong.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I didn't read the article you posted. I frequently don't since you and I disagree so profoundly on what constitutes a valid source, and I only have so much time to be here. If you have a specific question though, I will answer it to the best of my ability.

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@Foxfyre,

What ideologies or beliefs do you think Obama's association with Ayers imparts to him? What things do you believe Obama is willing to accept that most other Americans cannot? Why do you think that simply knowing this person says more about Obama's ideas than his own writing and his own actions? What, exactly, are you afraid of?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I didn't read the article you posted. I frequently don't since you and I disagree so profoundly on what constitutes a valid source, and I only have so much time to be here. If you have a specific question though, I will answer it to the best of my ability.

Your willful ignorance is not my problem, Fox. But, because you insist on acting like a child, I'll hold your hand like a little baby, and ask you straight up:

How do you square Todd Palin's years of involvement with an ACTUAL secessionist party, which is based completely in anti-American thoughts and ideas, with your support of Palin? Do you feel that she can be trusted in the office? Are her associations with anti-American groups a concern for you? If not, why not?

Cycloptichorn

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

What ideologies or beliefs do you think Obama's association with Ayers imparts to him? What things do you believe Obama is willing to accept that most other Americans cannot? Why do you think that simply knowing this person says more about Obama's ideas than his own writing and his own actions? What, exactly, are you afraid of?

I have no clue what ideologies or beliefs Obama's association with Ayers imparts to him. That was a point which I made quite clear. I believe that Ayers despises the United States and everything it stands for. I believe Ayers is a small minded, hateful extreme liberal that thinks anybody and everybody is better than America and Americans. And I think it probable that Obama overlooked all of that in order to garner whatever favors he could from Ayers. How much does Obama tolerate the attitudes and beliefs and activities of all those people I named in my post to Parados--even though he says I did not name them? They were just a page or two back.

If Obama did not have a problem with any of those people before they became political liabilities to him, how much of their values and world view does he tolerate? How much does he share? There is nothing in some of his writings and some of his more unguarded campaign rhetoric that offers me encouragement that he he is not a radical liberal and whether or not he shares the views of the more hateful radicals, it is not comforting to know that he tolerated them out of expediency.

These are legitimate questions. And I do not want a President who embraces or is even willing to tolerate the hateful views of those people I named. That he did not repudiate a single one of them until they became political liabilities to him is not reassuring. I don't want that kind of President.

I think no American should want that kind of President. And those who presume to attack or ridicule or demean or insult me for asking the questions only reinforces my opinion that Obama worshippers don't care what his views are or are in denial. And that isn't reassuring either.

Now please answer my questions or this discussion is over.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I don't think that a fair question. "Anti-American" is too loose a term. Anti-Union might be better and that is a loose term too. The European Union consists of separate states but most of them are pro-European.

These are not black and white terms. Maybe Alaskans, and possibly others, feel that they have taken a pounding from the North-East states. If so, and I don't know, are you suggesting that the pounding, if such it is or felt to be, should continue unabated. It is likely that a secessionist movement takes its strength from the pounding. Then the pounding itself becomes anti-American.

How did Alaskan repesentatives vote in the two bailout votes?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I don't think that a fair question. "Anti-American" is too loose a term. Anti-Union might be better and that is a loose term too. The European Union consists of separate states but most of them are pro-European.

These are not black and white terms. Maybe Alaskans, and possibly others, feel that they have taken a pounding from the North-East states. If so, and I don't know, are you suggesting that the pounding, if such it is or felt to be, should continue unabated. It is likely that a secessionist movement takes its strength from the pounding. Then the pounding itself becomes anti-American.

How did Alaskan repesentatives vote in the two bailout votes?

Dunno - their Reps are currently under investigation for corruption, so I'm not too concerned with that.

Anti-American. That term describes the Alaskan Independence Party to a T. No amount of swishy speech on your part will change that.

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

parados wrote:

Ah, yes. You won't name them. You won't name anything. We should just trust your judgment that you have lots of specifics but you just won't tell us.

I did name them. In some detail. I just refused to name them again since you can go back to my post--less than a day old--and read them for yourself.

No, you didn't name them in any detail. I have gone back to look at the last 3 days of postings on this thread. You have spouted a lot of vague junk after you posted an article that Walter pointed out in no way condemns anyone.

If you feel you actually posted something in detail than point out the post.
Your fear that Obama may have picked up Ayers ideas is hardly detail. It is unsupported fear. You have no evidence of Ayers ideas and no evidence of Obama picking anything up. Plus you have hardly any evidence of a relationship beyond being in the same circles, let alone a close relationship.

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@parados,

They're not only just "vague," but implies things about Obama that's a creation in Fox's own mind; it has no other evidence or support.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Inability to see. Total denial. Pointing the finger and using ad hominem and made up stuff you cannot or will not support to divert. Don't you ever come up with anything original, Cyclop?

That is ironic Fox. Only one post after you accused anyone that refused to accept your unsupported claims of being "Obama worshipers."

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Now please answer my questions or this discussion is over.

Please, nobody answer her and maybe she'll go to some white supremacist board where her ideas on Obama's ties to "terrorists" will be more well-received.

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@kickycan,

It doesn't matter whether nobody answers or not; Fox is here to stay.

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@Foxfyre,

Quote:

I have no clue what ideologies or beliefs Obama's association with Ayers imparts to him. That was a point which I made quite clear. I believe that Ayers despises the United States and everything it stands for. I believe Ayers is a small minded, hateful extreme liberal that thinks anybody and everybody is better than America and Americans. And I think it probable that Obama overlooked all of that in order to garner whatever favors he could from Ayers. How much does Obama tolerate the attitudes and beliefs and activities of all those people I named in my post to Parados--even though he says I did not name them? They were just a page or two back.

So, let me get this straight. You fear Obama because he didn't take your beliefs into account in his relationship with Ayers. Rolling Eyes

I guess that pretty clearly illustrates what we have been trying to get to. You don't have any objective facts to support your claim. You only have your beliefs. And when anyone questions your beliefs to try to find underlying facts you attack them for being "Obama worshipers. That pretty much clears up this conversation for me.

You named people Fox, I know that. What you did NOT name were their actions and beliefs that you feel should not be tolerated. Nor did you elucidate any relationship that put your suspected beliefs about those individuals in conflict with Obama. We should just hate them because you do. No facts required. No objective analysis. We are just liberals because we don't live by your emotions.

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Okay guys. Cyclop is just too tedious with the same old boring insults. Freeduck and Debra can't seem to focus on the subject. Parados is incapable of reading the posts I direct to him. CI has no clue what the discussion is even about as usual. And Kicky for whatever reason--perhaps to cover his own feelings of inadequacy? I don't know--pops in to say the most hateful thing he can think up.

You all seem to be at the frantic-I-can't-dispute-what-she-says-so-let's-say-as-many-rude -and-insulting-things-as-we-can-think-up-to-her phase which signals to me that I won.

Hopefully somebody will show up who actually wishes to discuss the concepts. Or not. You guys are no competition at all. Ya'll have a great day now.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

You all seem to be at the frantic-I-can't-dispute-what-she-says-so-let's-say-as-many-rude -and-insulting-things-as-we-can-think-up-to-her phase which signals to me that I won.

This statement is the verbal equivalent of scolding a person as a slob for having some food stuck to to the side of their face while being totally unaware of the large booger hanging from your own nose.

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@Foxfyre,

Mind-boggling. You are using whatever excuse you can find to avoid answering the simple questions that I've asked you, Fox. And it's obvious why: you cannot answer them.

I'm going to ask you those same questions, over and over, even after the elections are over and Obama has won, until you do; you can't escape by running away.

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

There's no reason to dispute what you say when they're the product of your imagination.

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