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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 05:17 pm
@Foxfyre,
Very funny Foxy. Especially the first one. Is that the caricature stereotype of post menopausal American activist womanhood?

Laurel and Hardy did it better. As did W.C. Fields. But it's not bad.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 05:19 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
You're trying to rationalize something irrational.


Don't you think that is somewhat heroic?
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barackman28
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 07:50 pm
@Debra Law,
Morrison--You are dead. Look at those footnotes. Debra LAW is the LAW genius on these threads and she left you with your thumb in your mouth. I'll bet you don't know that Debra LAW makes 750,000 a year as a partner in a biglaw law firm and STILL has time to make post after post on these threads. That is what you call a legal genius!!!!
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barackman28
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 07:56 pm
@spendius,
Spendius-- Your argument is reasonable but you really can' trump Debra LAW. She has given you the precedents. You really have to look at her evidence to see whether she has a correct constitutional interpretation. I have seen no evidence that the Supreme Court ruleson "the grain of human nature". The last time that was done was when Justice Blackmun talked about his "penumbras".


spendius
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 07:01 am
@barackman28,
Your remarks suggest that Debra's general style is more congenial to your intelligence and understanding.

One never "really" trumps anything. One either trumps it or one doesn't. I presume "can' " should read "can't" BTW.

I'm not sure there is such a thing as "correct constitutional interpretation". I think Debra might be out of a job if there was. The Constitution is not a railway timetable. If it were you could take your bills to the bank and get gold for them and permitted to own an operational tank.

I incline to taking my appreciation of lawyers from Rabelais and the streets. Debra has said nothing to cause me to rethink that position.

It is odd that you have "seen no evidence" and then quote some.

Surely Communism fell precisely because it went against the grain of human nature.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 11:04 am
Whether you agree with the message or not, this is one heck of an ad. (For the hearing impaired, it has captions):


spendius
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 11:29 am
@Foxfyre,
ABSOLUTELY!

But I'm nothing if not even handed-

Quote:
Conscience is a word that cowards use,
Devised at first to keep the strong in awe.


William Shakespeare. King Richard 111 (Act V, Scene III).

Frank Harris said-

Quote:
The whole of Plato's Gorgias is comprised in those two lines.


As is, of course, the whole of Darwin.

And the second murderer in that play says that conscience-

Quote:
makes a man a coward....


I think that the financial mess is due entirely to secularism. I refuse to believe they didn't know what they were doing.

Fight the fight cowards!! Let the rest hide behind the skirts of their sacred scientific facts even if they do not understand them. They only sound tough.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 01:29 pm
FOUR WEEKS TO GO. . . .

Barack Obama has pulled away and has been 5 to 8 points ahead for a statistically significant period now (according to Rasmussen) and is showing similar gains in the Battleground states. Unless McCain can turn it around in the next 28 days, Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Obama is busily telling McCain that he is losing votes by going negative at this point. Do McCain supporters buy that? Most agree that Obama is getting the velvet glove treatment from the MSM that will be downplaying Obama's major negatives both in his record and his associations and aren't giving his grandiose stated objectives for America much scrutiny either.

Obama's game plan, aided and abetted by the mainstream media, is obviously working.

What, if anything, can McCain do to turn it around at this point?
parados
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 01:49 pm
@Foxfyre,
Nothing really.

I find it interesting that you blame the media for doing nothing other than reporting certain facts that are detrimental to McCain

McCain said the economy was sound. (The media reported his comments.)
The economy then required a bail out according to President Bush. (Quite newsworthy.)
McCain then said the economy was cratering and he would suspend his campaign until the bail out bill was passed. (McCain wanted this reported.)
McCain then back tracked on his suspension after never really suspending in the first place. (The voters notice when someone claims to suspend a campaign and 16 hours later are still running ads.) (The debate was hardly the media's fault.)
Today investment funds sent out quarterly reports that will show a 20% loss for the average investor. (The media has nothing to do with the mailing. It is required by law.)
The DOW is down about 500 points today and over 20% for the year. (News unrelated to the campaign but it will make voters nervous as hell.)

Barring McCain managing to raise the market 3000 points, there isn't much he can do because the economy and his missteps have put him clearly behind the eight ball. If his campaign doesn't talk about the economy it only points to his campaign suspension being nothing more than political opportunism. The economy certainly hasn't gotten better so if he ignores it on the campaign it will only draw more attention to his lack of leadership on the what could be the largest crisis since WW2.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 01:50 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

FOUR WEEKS TO GO. . . .

Barack Obama has pulled away and has been 5 to 8 points ahead for a statistically significant period now (according to Rasmussen) and is showing similar gains in the Battleground states. Unless McCain can turn it around in the next 28 days, Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Obama is busily telling McCain that he is losing votes by going negative at this point. Do McCain supporters buy that? Most agree that Obama is getting the velvet glove treatment from the MSM that will be downplaying Obama's major negatives both in his record and his associations and aren't giving his grandiose stated objectives for America much scrutiny either.

Obama's game plan, aided and abetted by the mainstream media, is obviously working.

What, if anything, can McCain do to turn it around at this point?


See, the problem for you guys is that there's nothing new in the 'Obama's got scary associations!' game. Nothing to drive a story. It's not as effective when it is the McCain campaign driving the story; what you need are events to happen. We saw this earlier this year with the Wright thing; the news was reporting on it all on their own, with little prompting from anyone.

You bunch should realize that people don't give two shits about Obama's 'associations.' Both Obama and McCain are politicians, both have associated with various folks who are unsavory from time to time. It's par for the course. That's why you get no traction out of it; and it's not going to magically start working in the middle of the economic crisis.

Keep in mind, also, that the early voting - which is currently going on in several states - is occurring during Obama's biggest leads of the campaign, in terms of tracking polls and in many cases state polling. Even if McCain can somehow shift the narrative, as many as 1/4 to 1/3 of the votes for Prez will already have been cast. Doesn't bode well for Republican prospects this Fall.

Also due out next week is the report on Troopergate; and it's going to be ugly for Palin. There are several witnesses who previously weren't going to testify; now they are to testify this week. Apparently the investigators found some hard evidence (in terms of emails and other comminques) which have put many of these folks in a bind...

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 02:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I feel sure they will wriggle out of it Cyclo. It's not as if they are pinned down in a foxhole by some Taliban. That's a bind.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:06 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote: "First, you quoted a statement and attributed to me, but I didn't make that statement."

Regarding my post #3,423,350: Please provide the offending text juxtaposed to your original post for comparison so that I may properly apologize.

JM
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:21 pm
@parados,
parados writes
Quote:
I find it interesting that you blame the media for doing nothing other than reporting certain facts that are detrimental to McCain


I find it interesting that you continue to accuse me of saying things that I didn't say.
Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:39 pm
@JamesMorrison,
First you can't be bothered with making correct attributions for a quote, and now you can't be bothered with looking for your own error?

Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:40 pm
@Debra Law,
Translation: She doesn't have a clue what she was complaining about and doesn't want to have to go hunt it up. Smile
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:40 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Obama's game plan, aided and abetted by the mainstream media, is obviously working.


actually, it reads/looks more like John McCain doing the aiding and abetting.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:41 pm
@ehBeth,
Well, you may be right. For sure McCain hasn't been doing himself a lot of favors lately.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:49 pm
@Foxfyre,
Consistent with her modus operandi, Foxfyre wrote:
I find it interesting that you continue to accuse me of saying things that I didn't say.


I find it amusing that you always deny making the statements that you make usually to repeat the denied statement in next sentence or post. Eg:

You: There is "unrefutable evidence" that...

Someone Else: I would like to see that "unrefutable" evidence....

You: I didn't say "unrefutable." I said there is "unrefutable evidence" that....

* * *

You are ALWAYS accusing the media of being unfair or unfavorable to your team and pro-Obama. It doesn't matter that the media is reporting the facts, if the facts are not favorable to your man/woman, then you cry wolf and resort to your "media bias" card. It's laughable.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:50 pm
@Foxfyre,
foxfyre wrote:
Translation: She doesn't have a clue what she was complaining about and doesn't want to have to go hunt it up.


Between you and I, I'm not the clueless one. I'm not going to do JM's work for him. Period.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 03:51 pm
@Debra Law,
Ah, I guess there is no point in asking you to back up what you have accused me of then either, huh?
 

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