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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 11:55 am
Six weeks to go and Obama's fortunes have improved in the wake of the financial crisis, but most polls are still showing a statistically insignificant margin between the two. Scott Rasmussen notes that Obama and McCain have been within 3 pts of each other for 51 of the last 56 days. In his opinion, the debates will likely be a much more significant factor in this election than they have been in previous elections.

The Debate Schedule:

September 26, 2008: Presidential debate with foreign policy focus, University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS

October 2, 2008: Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO

October 7, 2008: Presidential debate in a town hall format, Belmont University, Nashville, TN

October 15, 2008: Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

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Here is a break down of what each debate will consist of:

1. First Presidential Debate:
Date: September 26 " Site: University of Mississippi " Topic: Foreign Policy & National Security " Moderator: Jim Lehrer " Staging: Podium debate " Answer Format: The debate will be broken into nine, 9-minute segments. The moderator will introduce a topic and allow each candidate 2 minutes to comment. After these initial answers, the moderator will facilitate an open discussion of the topic for the remaining 5 minutes, ensuring that both candidates receive an equal amount of time to comment

2. Vice Presidential Debate
Date: October 2nd " Site: Washington University (St. Louis) " Moderator: Gwen Ifill " Staging/Answer Format: Debate will consist of both foreign and domestic policy questions asked by the moderator. Format will be similar to the presidential debates.

3. Second Presidential Debate
Date: October 7 " Site: Belmont University " Moderator: Tom Brokaw " Staging: Town Hall debate " Format: The moderator will call on members of the audience (and draw questions from the internet). Each candidate will have 2 minutes to respond to each question. Following those initial answers, the moderator will invite the candidates to respond to the previous answers, for a total of 1 minute, ensuring that both candidates receive an equal amount of time to comment. In the spirit of the Town Hall, all questions will come from the audience (or internet), and not the moderator.

4. Third Presidential Debate
Date: October 15 " Site: Hofstra University " Topic: Domestic and Economic Issues " Moderator: Bob Schieffer " Staging: Candidates will be seated at a table " Answer Format: Same as First Presidential Debate " Closing Statements: At the end of this debate (only) each candidate shall have the opportunity for a 90 second closing statement.

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All four debates will begin at 9pm ET, 6pm PT and last for 90 minutes. Both campaigns also agreed to accept the CPD’s participation rules for third-party candidate participation. Third-party candidates will be included if they poll 15% or above in at least 5 national polls.

Each debate will be broadcast on the major broadcast networks, including CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX. They will also be aired on cable news channels such as CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and C-SPAN.

We will have full videos of each debate uploaded once they air.
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/08/21/official-2008-obama-mccain-presidential-debate-schedule/

Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:12 pm
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Debra Law
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:16 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre reported: "2. Vice Presidential Debate. Date: October 2nd " Site: Washington University (St. Louis) " Moderator: Gwen Ifill " Staging/Answer Format: Debate will consist of both foreign and domestic policy questions asked by the moderator. Format will be similar to the presidential debates."

Based on recent news reports, the format of the VP debate has been changed pursuant to a request by the McCain campaign. Senator John McCain's secured a highly structured vice-presidential forum. In other words, we're not really going to see a debate. The moderator will ask questions, and the VP candidates will regurgitate rehearsed answers. There will not be any free-flow exchanges.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:23 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Foxfyre reported: "2. Vice Presidential Debate. Date: October 2nd " Site: Washington University (St. Louis) " Moderator: Gwen Ifill " Staging/Answer Format: Debate will consist of both foreign and domestic policy questions asked by the moderator. Format will be similar to the presidential debates."

Based on recent news reports, the format of the VP debate has been changed pursuant to a request by the McCain campaign. Senator John McCain's secured a highly structured vice-presidential forum. In other words, we're not really going to see a debate. The moderator will ask questions, and the VP candidates will regurgitate rehearsed answers. There will not be any free-flow exchanges.


Yup, because such exchanges will quickly expose the truth about Palin - that she has no clue what she's talking about on a wide variety of domestic and foreign issues. Her answers to prepared questions have been terrible, let alone ones she doesn't know in advance.

If Biden is smart, he will drag her out into conflict by using subtle baits. She will have no choice but to respond, or come off as completely weak. We'll see how he does.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:26 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Isn't it amazing that the conservatives can't see through all this hide and seek veep candidate?
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JamesMorrison
 
  3  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:02 pm
@Foxfyre,
Forget the Veep debates. McCain has to ace the upcoming Presidential debates this Friday to, in my opinion, gather even odds to win. Seems the Palin phenomenon has pretty much run its course and has been overshadowed by McCain's absolute horrendous behavior this past week.

I had mentioned before not only his weaknesses in understanding economic and business issues but also his almost knee jerk reaction of starting crusades against perceived moral wrongs and his poor ability at anger management. This past week they all came to a head-- the flip-flop on the state of the economy, that on regulation vs. less regulation, and the almost maniacal and certainly irrational call for SEC Chairman Christopher Cox's ouster. Contrast this with Obama waiting to gather some info and responding in a relatively calm and cooler manner.

If McCain wants to run as the candidate most likely to make the right decisions in a time of crisis he's going to have to learn to count to 10 before blurting out populist rants usually attributed to the likes of the Rev. Al Sharpton and Senator Charles Schumer. Really, couldn’t he at least placed a secrete phone call to Phil Graham before making an absolute fool of himself regarding the economy/regulation/Cox thing?

The election is still Obama's to lose. McCain is the best man to be chief executive, but he must learn to take council from his advisors in areas he knows he needs assistance. Obama's commercials are increasingly negative; some even misrepresentations if not outright lies. Negativity in campaigns, though much maligned, is quite effective when not true and devastating when true. Obama is playing to win, time is short--McCain should cool down, smarten up and do the same.

We will get past this economy thing but the Iran debacle must be addressed, Putin must be pushed back, DPRK is still unresolved, and Osama bin Laden's representatives still want us dead. We all know who they want to be president. That's why we need McCain as Chief Executive.


JM
JTT
 
  3  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:07 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
If McCain wants to run as the candidate most likely to make the right decisions in a time of crisis he's going to have to learn to count to 10 Really, couldn’t he at least placed a secrete phone call to Phil Graham [sic] before making an absolute fool of himself regarding the economy/regulation/Cox thing?

... but he must learn to take council from his advisors in areas he knows he needs assistance.


Where in the whole of the Republican Party are you going to find any adviser that could help McCain learn to count to ten? I mean, come on.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:08 pm
@JTT,
He can't even count to 5.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
McCain camp declares Politico reporter Ben Smith 'in the tank' for Obama.

In a piece on the McCain campaign's conference call today, he writes:

Quote:
“As soon as Gov. Palin was nominated, one of … Obama’s chief campaign surrogates, [Florida Rep.] Robert Wexler, went out and accused her of being a Nazi sympathizer,” Schmidt said. “Where is the outrage to that aspersion on the part of some of the biggest newspapers in the country?”

But Wexler didn’t call Palin a Nazi sympathizer. He called former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan a Nazi sympathizer, and attacked Palin for allegedly having endorsed him.

“John McCain's decision to select a vice presidential running mate that endorsed Pat Buchanan for president in 2000 is a direct affront to all Jewish Americans. Pat Buchanan is a Nazi sympathizer with a uniquely atrocious record on Israel,” Wexler said.

(Wexler was apparently wrong: Though Buchanan claimed that Palin had supported him, she said she backed Steve Forbes in 1996 and 2000, and no evidence has emerged to the contrary.)

Asked about the series of errors, McCain aides could not provide evidence to back up Schmidt’s assertions.

One McCain aide, Michael Goldfarb, said Politico was “quibbling with ridiculously small details when the basic things are completely right.”

Another, Brian Rogers, responded more directly:

“You are in the tank,” he e-mailed.


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=8B938576-18FE-70B2-A85A7409BC2461BC

I do not think this is a smart move on their part.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
...Sadly, she was talking to supporters tonight in Media, Pennsylvania, a Philly suburb, and not engaging my colleagues in her travelling press pack.

Palin has yet to hold a single press conference or take questions from any group of reporters.

McCain has talked to local reporters on his bus, but has not held a press conference with national media since August 13th.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Palin_and_McCain_keep_up_No_Talk_Express.html#comments

I do not think this is a smart move on their part. The Dems have created a meme about Palin, and whether or not you agree with that meme, she isn't dispelling it by not talking to the media. It's getting to the point where people are going to notice that it's been about a month since since was announced, and she's still yet to speak to the press in any meaningful way.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:34 pm
@Foxfyre,
October 2, 2008: Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO
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What kind of "restrictions" are being put in place for this so-called "debate?"
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JTT
 
  3  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:44 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
We will get past this economy thing but the Iran debacle must be addressed, Putin must be pushed back, DPRK is still unresolved, and Osama bin Laden's representatives still want us dead. We all know who they want to be president. That's why we need McCain as Chief Executive.


What is it now, 7 years in Iraq and the US is still holed up in the green zone and you think you're going to take on Russia and North Korea. Such unmitigated pomposity!
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 08:15 pm
@JTT,
You can say that again! They want to spend another 100 years to fight these wars while our country has already been bankrupted by Bush and company.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 10:24 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

Quote:
McCain Loses His Head
Tuesday, September 23, 2008; Page A21

"The queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. 'Off with his head!' she said without even looking around."

-- "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

To read the Journal's details about the depths of McCain's shallowness on the subject of Cox's chairmanship, see "McCain's Scapegoat" (Sept. 19, Page A22). Then consider McCain's characteristic accusation that Cox "has betrayed the public's trust."

Perhaps an old antagonism is involved in McCain's fact-free slander. His most conspicuous economic adviser is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who previously headed the Congressional Budget Office. There he was an impediment to conservatives, including then-Rep. Cox, who, as chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, persistently tried and generally failed to enlist CBO support for "dynamic scoring" that would estimate the economic growth effects of proposed tax cuts.

In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17, Page A4; and the New York Times of Sept. 20, Page One.)

By a Gresham's Law of political discourse, McCain's Queen of Hearts intervention in the opaque financial crisis overshadowed a solid conservative complaint from the Republican Study Committee, chaired by Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. In a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the RSC decried the improvised torrent of bailouts as a "dangerous and unmistakable precedent for the federal government both to be looked to and indeed relied upon to save private sector companies from the consequences of their poor economic decisions." This letter, listing just $650 billion of the perhaps more than $1 trillion in new federal exposures to risk, was sent while McCain's campaign, characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence, was airing an ad warning that Obama favors "massive government, billions in spending increases."

The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics. Today, the efficient means to that end is government control of capital. So, is not McCain's party now conducting the most leftist administration in American history? The New Deal never acted so precipitously on such a scale. Treasury Secretary Paulson, asked about conservative complaints that his rescue program amounts to socialism, said, essentially: This is not socialism, this is necessary. That non sequitur might be politically necessary, but remember that government control of capital is government control of capitalism. Does McCain have qualms about this, or only quarrels?

On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?


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He's losing the Conservative media as well.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 11:30 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That's exactly the reason why I wish we had two different candidates running for president. That would automatically eliminate Palin as an issue as the bonus.
Miller
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 02:01 am
@cicerone imposter,
Obama doesn't look well. What's his problem?
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Foxfyre
 
  3  
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 08:22 am
@JamesMorrison,
JamesMorrison wrote:

Forget the Veep debates. McCain has to ace the upcoming Presidential debates this Friday to, in my opinion, gather even odds to win. Seems the Palin phenomenon has pretty much run its course and has been overshadowed by McCain's absolute horrendous behavior this past week.

I had mentioned before not only his weaknesses in understanding economic and business issues but also his almost knee jerk reaction of starting crusades against perceived moral wrongs and his poor ability at anger management. This past week they all came to a head-- the flip-flop on the state of the economy, that on regulation vs. less regulation, and the almost maniacal and certainly irrational call for SEC Chairman Christopher Cox's ouster. Contrast this with Obama waiting to gather some info and responding in a relatively calm and cooler manner.

If McCain wants to run as the candidate most likely to make the right decisions in a time of crisis he's going to have to learn to count to 10 before blurting out populist rants usually attributed to the likes of the Rev. Al Sharpton and Senator Charles Schumer. Really, couldn’t he at least placed a secrete phone call to Phil Graham before making an absolute fool of himself regarding the economy/regulation/Cox thing?

The election is still Obama's to lose. McCain is the best man to be chief executive, but he must learn to take council from his advisors in areas he knows he needs assistance. Obama's commercials are increasingly negative; some even misrepresentations if not outright lies. Negativity in campaigns, though much maligned, is quite effective when not true and devastating when true. Obama is playing to win, time is short--McCain should cool down, smarten up and do the same.

We will get past this economy thing but the Iran debacle must be addressed, Putin must be pushed back, DPRK is still unresolved, and Osama bin Laden's representatives still want us dead. We all know who they want to be president. That's why we need McCain as Chief Executive.


JM



A difference in perspective perhaps. Yes, McCain has been imprudent, as he often is, by speaking what is on his mind at the time as he works through a problem rather than exercising more political expediency. That is a hallmark of a strongly extroverted personality and I don't find unlikable. Not a good trait in a President? Perhaps. But neither is a president who governs according to the polls or waits for others to tell him what he is supposed to think.

Obama is being portrayed as thoughtful and cautious re the current economic crisis and maybe he is, but he could also be displaying his typical M.O. of not having a clue or following the crowd or being unable to make a decision at all. None of those are good traits in a President. He might be learning not to be so obvious about these things and then having to backtrack and say what he really meant was. . . . which would be a good thing if he is our next President.

But for now our choices seem to be the guy prone to shoot from the hip or the guy who is afraid to draw at all if there is any risk.

McCain does not seem to resent his staff who reigns him in from time to time and he is able to admit a mistake. I trust him to eventually arrive at an informed decision and to more often make the best decision than not. I am less confident that Obama will do that.

Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 08:28 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:

But for now our choices seem to be the guy prone to shoot from the hip or the guy who is afraid to draw at all if there is any risk.


Rolling Eyes

What evidence do you have, that Obama is 'afraid to draw?' These analogies of yours are terrible, Fox.

You'll bend over backwards to excuse any problems McCain has, won't you?

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
  2  
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 08:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I have a gazillion 'present' votes, a fair number of flipflops that appear to be based on the polls, and a voting record that goes against the old boys' club so seldom you really have to hunt for an exception, and a whole lot of interviews in which he danced around a question instead of answering it. What evidence do you have that Obama can make a tough decision in a pinch?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 08:45 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I have a gazillion 'present' votes, a fair number of flipflops that appear to be based on the polls, and a voting record that goes against the old boys' club so seldom you really have to hunt for an exception. What evidence do you have that Obama can make a tough decision in a pinch?


He had about 100 'present' votes out of 3000 votes cast. Not exactly a 'gazillion.' And you know as well as I that it was a legislative tool, not a signal that he couldn't make a decision.

McCain on the other hand simply doesn't show up to vote on tough votes. He's absent from the Senate quite a bit.

When Obama came into office in the Senate - 2004 - the old boy's network was Bush and the Republicans. Obama voted against them a lot. You are simply making **** up, Fox.

The truth is that McCain did not compose himself well in terms of this financial crisis. His calling for the firing of Cox was unwarranted and unpresidential. His handling of the Georgia situation was as well. It is a signal of how he would act as president: a hothead, prone to make decisions based upon raw emotion rather then rational thought. And that's not what we need, at all.

Obama on the other hand urged cautious movement forward during the financial crisis, not the calling for specific heads - as if that would solve anything. He presented his economic plan for fixing the problem, a detailed one. McCain has presented no plan. In fact, McCain's not been big on presenting actual plans, has he?

I don't want a politician who has to be reined in by his subordinates, Fox. That's asinine. I want someone who is mature enough not to need such handling. McCain may be the oldest presidential candidate in history, but he's not the most mature one in this election, that's for sure.

Cycloptichorn
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