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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 12:25 pm
@squinney,
That's not going to make any difference according to past and current history; the republicans still don't fear the loss of jobs and homes to make sure McCain/Palin wins in November. I'm not sure how they are able to rationalize that in their brains, but I've never been good at analyzing why people do things in the name of politics or religion.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 12:38 pm
@Foxfyre,
Uh, I'm not complaining about an article. I am asking you what attacks you are talking about. If you are talking about the Obama gaffe article, I read it and didn't see Obama making any attacks.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 12:42 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Uh, I'm not complaining about an article. I am asking you what attacks you are talking about. If you are talking about the Obama gaffe article, I read it and didn't see Obama making any attacks.


Okay. You sure read with a different eye than I do, but okay. What post of mine were you referring to re the attacks?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 01:25 pm
@Foxfyre,
It was the one I originally responded to:
Quote:
From what I'm reading, he's sending lots of surrogates out to the states to do his attacking for him. He's above that sort of thing after all. Don't worry. The Obama campaign will get in a lot of licks and his disciples will be doing their part to ensure that Sarah Palin is smeared and slimed with as much as they can find or make up to slime her with.


But also this one before it.

Quote:
Meanwhile, the campaign to destroy Sarah Palin continues. After reports from locals hearing from local Democrat leaders, I am absolutely 100% convinced that the Obama is behind it at least to some extent. You sure don't hear the messiah standing up and denouncing it; rather he just (again) says that this is not his position and he disapproves that sort of thing.


And okie had something to say too. I am just wondering what specifically you all are talking about. That's all. No need to get defensive about it. It's just a question.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 01:48 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

It was the one I originally responded to:
Quote:
From what I'm reading, he's sending lots of surrogates out to the states to do his attacking for him. He's above that sort of thing after all. Don't worry. The Obama campaign will get in a lot of licks and his disciples will be doing their part to ensure that Sarah Palin is smeared and slimed with as much as they can find or make up to slime her with.


But also this one before it.

Quote:
Meanwhile, the campaign to destroy Sarah Palin continues. After reports from locals hearing from local Democrat leaders, I am absolutely 100% convinced that the Obama is behind it at least to some extent. You sure don't hear the messiah standing up and denouncing it; rather he just (again) says that this is not his position and he disapproves that sort of thing.


And okie had something to say too. I am just wondering what specifically you all are talking about. That's all. No need to get defensive about it. It's just a question.


Oh okay.

I was referring to the folowing plus the blatant media bias as reflected in the article re MSNBC that I posted earlier today, plus the unrelenting leftwing blogs that are putting out unprintable stupidity re Sarah Palin and sometimes McCain and an onslaught of e-mails containing the same stupidity.

To counter Palin, Obama to dispatch female surrogates

By Patrick Healy and Jeff Zeleny
Published: September 5, 2008

Quote:
ST. PAUL: Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Governor Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and creating a rapid-response team to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said on Thursday. , , , ,

. . . .While Obama did not aggressively challenge Palin in the wake of her withering attack on Wednesday night, his advisers opened a new line of criticism on Thursday to brand her as part of the Republican establishment.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/05/america/05dems.php


(Article I believe originated in NY Times - has been published several places since including the Huffington Post and I believe Salon (though I can't remember the latter for sure).)

Before McCain’s acceptance speech, this in the WSJ
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/29/obama-campaign-attacks-and-backtracks-on-palin/
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 01:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
Ok, but all that sounds like he's on defense, admittedly not a good place for a candidate to be, not on the attack. The only attack mentioned in the article, in fact, is Palin's attack on him.

As for him being above the fray, don't mistake his plea for a better discourse for a white flag. You don't win elections by laying down for your opponents.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 02:20 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Ok, but all that sounds like he's on defense, admittedly not a good place for a candidate to be, not on the attack. The only attack mentioned in the article, in fact, is Palin's attack on him.

As for him being above the fray, don't mistake his plea for a better discourse for a white flag. You don't win elections by laying down for your opponents.


You say to-mah-to, I say to-may-to. I translate words like 'undercut' and 'brand' as pretty much the same thing as 'attack'.

It's entirely predictable that the Obama-gushing media will use different language, words, phrases, emphasis in describing the two candidates. We're talking NYT in this case. Some perspective is helpful at times.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 02:27 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
You say to-mah-to, I say to-may-to. I translate words like 'undercut' and 'brand' as pretty much the same thing as 'attack'.


Interesting.

How about this, when he or one of his surrogates actually utters an "attack" that seems unfair to you, go ahead and quote it. That will save us all some time.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 02:30 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
You say to-mah-to, I say to-may-to. I translate words like 'undercut' and 'brand' as pretty much the same thing as 'attack'.


Interesting.

How about this, when he or one of his surrogates actually utters an "attack" that seems unfair to you, go ahead and quote it. That will save us all some time.


I have been. You haven't noticed?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 02:37 pm
@Foxfyre,
No.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 02:47 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

No.


Well you'll forgive me if I don't post all those posts again, okay? They're there if you want to read back. Otherwise maybe you can just take my word for it. Or not. Your choice.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 07:59 pm
This takes real chutzpa!

Quote:
McCain, Palin criticize Obama on earmarks

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer 37 minutes ago

LEE'S SUMMIT, Mo. - John McCain and Sarah Palin criticized Democrat Barack Obama over the amount of money he has requested for his home state of Illinois, even though Alaska under Palin's leadership has asked Washington for 10 times more money per citizen for pet projects.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
"undercut" and "brand" were words chosen by the author of the piece. They were not used by Obama that I can see.

I hardly see it as an "attack" to try to "brand" someone as a republican, do you? Yes, candidates try to win the battle by describing their opponents but that isn't really an attack to my knowledge unless it is to demonize them in some way.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:07 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

"undercut" and "brand" were words chosen by the author of the piece. They were not used by Obama that I can see.

I hardly see it as an "attack" to try to "brand" someone as a republican, do you? Yes, candidates try to win the battle by describing their opponents but that isn't really an attack to my knowledge unless it is to demonize them in some way.


"Undercut' and 'brand' were the terms the author of the piece used to describe what Obama's surrogates were attempting to do to Palin. And if all that was implied was a "Republican", I would agree. More was implied in the story than that.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ci, something you might wish to consider in regard to the feds spending money in various states, Alaska is geographically by far the largest state in the union, so infrastructure or federal expenditures are not tied solely to population, but may also be related to land area and the infrastructure, preservation, conservation, and management relative to that land. Furthermore, Alaska is a relatively undeveloped state, not mature in terms of infrastructure, and also has a different rate of population growth than other states, all of which also influences the scenario. So considering the small population of Alaska, expressing earmark numbers per capita is virtually meaningless in my opinion, and most certainly misleading.

I haven't even commented on pork barrel spending or earmarks in any detail, beyond my casual comments now, but before I did, I think a good amount of research would be necessary to understand the truth about this. I suspect there is so much ignorance about this, that it would be astonishing. And I doubt seriously that McCain will veto every earmark, I find that a tall tale for sure. And I know Obama wouldn't.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:26 pm
@Foxfyre,
So in other words, your argument about the attack is based on an implication you got from a story. Ok.. now it makes more sense because I wasn't seeing any attack.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:33 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

So in other words, your argument about the attack is based on an implication you got from a story. Ok.. now it makes more sense because I wasn't seeing any attack.


The attack is what the surrogates are being sent out to do. "Undercut" and "brand as" = attack. I don't know how to make it any plainer. Of course when you do selective reading and cherry pick phrases to present as something different than what was written, you probably won't quite get it will you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:35 pm
@okie,
LIke the bridge to nowhere? You are kidding, right?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:36 pm
@Foxfyre,
"undercut" and "brand as" are NOT what they are being told to do by the Obama campaign. It is the word chosen by the author. It could be the wrong word choice for all we know.

You make it plain all right. You want to believe it is an attack so will accept the word chosen and then blow it up beyond that word choice without regard to what the underlying facts really are.

Meanwhile you completely ignore the author's choice of the words "withering attack" in describing what Palin did. I see his word choice there as overblown so can only assume his other choices are as well.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:38 pm
Quote:
Quote:

ST. PAUL: Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Governor Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and creating a rapid-response team to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said on Thursday. , , , ,

. . . .While Obama did not aggressively challenge Palin in the wake of her withering attack on Wednesday night, his advisers opened a new line of criticism on Thursday to brand her as part of the Republican establishment.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/05/america/05dems.php


Sounds like pretty good political strategy to me! LOL
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