Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

@spendius,

What's wrong if I say "yes?" You ******* moron. Don't you have better things to do than post inane garbage on a2k?

@High Seas,

I don't read that guys posts, but he is either lying or having too much hash to make a charge like that.

@edgarblythe,

Ive often asked spendi to show us the post number where Ive actually endorsed "reeducation camps" I dont believe Im being asked to defend not saying anything that I havent said.

Thats a Creationist ploy, to accuse others of something really vile and then standing there witing for a response.

Spendi does have a beer soaked sense of reality, so Im not concerned when he makes **** up from foaming agents.

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@cicerone imposter,

Well ci--you being 70 odd I assume your son is in his 40s or 50s and it didn't seem right you taking him to the pictures.

It was you who posted the inane garbage. What interest does anybody have in your daily doings?

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@farmerman,

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Ive often asked spendi to show us the post number where Ive actually endorsed "reeducation camps" I dont believe Im being asked to defend not saying anything that I havent said.

Oh--you said it alright fm. It's seared on my brain. I think I've mentioned it four or five times since you did say it and this is the first time you have denied it. You have not asked me before, let alone often, to cite the post and I know why. It's because you have waited to deny it long enough for me not to take the trouble to look for it.

I would suggest you arrange a stakeholder for £10,000 each on the matter but you might use your influence to get it posthumously edited out?

Why do you think it a "vile" suggestion? I can't understand that. If I was you I would be proud to be in favour of re-education camps for the religious people. I would think I was doing them a favour curing them of idiocy, dipshittery, of dragging American science back to the Dark Ages and rendering them "approved" by Setanta, ed, ci, ros and your goodself.

You really are half-baked. Wobbling at the logic of your own intellectual position. What's the point of denigrating religion if you don't seek to exterminate it? And re-education camps are the only way to go.

Perhaps you just like denigrating people and religious people are easy for that purpose. They are your sitting duck. Cost free fun.

Do you want to exterminate religion?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Oh--you said it alright fm. It's seared on my brain. ..... It's because you have waited to deny it long enough for me not to take the trouble to look for it. ....I would suggest you arrange a stakeholder for £10,000 each on the matter but you might use your influence to get it posthumously edited out? ....

Posthumously?! What did you have in mind, pistols at dawn, with you shooting Farmerman dead and the "stakeholder" counting? You forget that finding anything ever posted on the public internet is the easiest thing - and I do happen to have access to very-high-speed computers so I'm putting you on notice: retract this absurd challenge or be prepared to shell out £10,000 - we can use them to throw an A2K party Smile

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@edgarblythe,

That was Ionus - let me dispose of one charge at a time: on A2K only Spendius ever linked Farmerman to "re-education camps":

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A term in one of farmerman's famed "re-education camps" for Christians being ...
http://able2know.org/topic/141106-100
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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution - Page 282
Never forget that farmerman alluded to "re-education camps" for the ...
http://able2know.org/topic/121621-282
post: http://able2know.org/topic/121621-282#post-4272633

We should have taken Spendius's 10,000 pounds before doing that fact-checking on the internet Smile

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@High Seas,

No HS. You put your HS computer to work. Go right ahead. It's there. Or it was. He said it. I assumed it was a jest at the time but I always think that jests spring from deep sources. I allowed myself to take it seriously. I knew it had mileage. I know fm wouldn't actually do it. He's a nice, cute Christian underneath that hard-bitten exterior. Much more that I am.

Do you want to exterminate the Christian religion HS? Bring it on.

You have this Special High-Speed computer and you are in position to bathe the earth in a radiation which extirpates all religious feeling right round the globe. Surely you would use it. Think of all the wars you would stop. And all the fun we could have with religiously inspired inhibitions out of the bedroom window. And evolution didn't inspire them as anybody who has watched a few films about our nearest relation on the tree of life (unless you include religion as an adaption in bi0logy).

Now be careful here HS. You have these choices it seems to me. You need to show that the religiously inspired inhibitions had no function, or are now an anachronism, or if they do have a function, a vital one I will say, then you have to frame legislation to replace religion as the inspiring force.

Would you. Anti-IDers step up. Who would use the religion exterminator?

If not--you've nowhere to go.

10 grand wouldn't go so far at an A2K party.

And why is it an absurd idea? It's standard practice in atheist countries. If I was an anti-IDer it would be my first priority. I would trumpet it from the rooftops.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

....You have this Special High-Speed computer and you are in position to bathe the earth in a radiation which extirpates all religious feeling right round the globe. ...

Good heavens! From beer-soaked-brain you crossed into tinfoil-hat-territory. Take 2 aspirin, go to bed; if symptoms persist, see a doctor.

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@High Seas,

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We should have taken Spendius's 10,000 pounds before doing that fact-checking on the internet

It's still here. I'll look for it for the stakeholder's £20,000. And if I don't find it I'll know it has been "cleaned" off.

He said it. And he used the word "endorsed" up above. I never said he endorsed the camps as your research shows. I said it was "a term" he had used and that he had "alluded" to re-education camps. The point was to show that the idea of "re-education" camps had crossed his mind. And remind people from time to time of the fact. It could have been in a grouchy moment. I forgave him instantly. I knew how much all you half-baked anti-IDers wouldn't want to be associated with ideas like re-education camps. It was the first glimpse of a well-done anti-IDer we have had. I was proud of my resistance analysis having forced the expression out of him. One should know what one's leader is thinking.

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@High Seas,

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Good heavens! From beer-soaked-brain you crossed into tinfoil-hat-territory. Take 2 aspirin, go to bed; if symptoms persist, see a doctor.

Just wave the white flag HS. There's no need to go through all that rigramole. Was it in a comic? Readers of this thread know what it means.

You are not Matron you know.

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@spendius,

Never mind flag-waiving, matrons, rigmaroles and comics - as long as you don't start seeing any of these critters climbing on your walls >

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/sea-scorpion-1.jpg

>(they've been extinct since the Devonian, thanks to evolution) you should really pay up to this thread the sum you have already lost.

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@High Seas,

We don't pay on bets until the stewards give the "weighed in" signal.

You are better at evading questions HS that the other lot. Are you equivocal about these matters? You seem reluctant to say anything definite. And you seem also unable to comprehend my post relating to fm's use of "endorse" and your own evidence that I had not said that. I had only said that he had used the term "re-education camps". And later when I said I had alluded to it I was probably referring to that post where I had alluded to it in saying that he had used the term. It's all in neutral. There was no intention to take a negative view of fm's use of the term as I have explained simply enough for a a first grade class to understand.

Was "waiving" a typo?

Those creatures are easy to deal with. Unlike women.

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@cicerone imposter,

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What are the "holes" in evolution?

Wouldnt all the self proclaimed 'scientists' know about the problem areas in evolution ? It would be essential knowledge to claim evolution as superior over religion. Or are we to believe "scientists" are ignorant and are just chanting mantra ?

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here are no "hard questions."

????? Your lack of knowledge about evolution is extraordinary. No wonder you believe it doesnt have problems.....you believe in the tooth fairy too, dont you ?

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@High Seas,

If evolution is not a chronological sequence and does not include the origins of life then it has holes.

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But just because we can't account exactly whether cosmogony started via a Big Bang or some other hypothesis, and we also can't account exactly for gravitational effects (leading us to postulate theoretical constructs like the Higgs boson, dark matter, or dark energy), doesn't necessarily mean we must claim the sun turns around the earth! Your argument is exactly analogous to that one - and it's wrong.

I reject your anology as self serving. It is more like believing in the big bang and telling creationists they are wrong because big bang theory has no holes in it and yet at the end of the day, the big bang is a creation.

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@Ionus,

Nor does creationism; it's wrong on sequence, and the age of this planet.

You'll have to do better than that to challenge evolution. It is about "chronological sequence," but it wasn't 7,500 years; it's billions of years.

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@cicerone imposter,

No No ci. The burning issue is the effect of the election results on the challenges to teaching evolution in schools. You're ducking it. And trying to pretend you are not. And nobody is being taken in. You have been invited to give your opinion. We don't expect it to make any sense but that's already discounted. Why have you refused to comment. You were all over it when the School Board in Texas was predicted to swing to the left.

What's your view on that? Nobody serious gives a flying **** about what happened billions of years ago except a few headbangers who think they can use whatever they claim did happen billions of years ago to justify their heresies regarding sexual relations.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Perhaps you will enlighten us as to why there are no holes in evolution and how life started. We wouldnt want you making a leap of faith in your religion of science now would we ?

What do you mean by "holes in evolution"?

Science is not religion. They are two different things.

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Additionally, evolution does not stipulate how life began. It "doesn't care" how life began, it is only concerned with how life evolved once it had begun.

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@Setanta,

Exactly - and I posted a lengthy mathematical calculation to show that while genesis of life per se is an extremely improbable event, evolution of species after life has started is so overwhelmingly probable as to be quasi-inevitable. If Spendius would rather live with the monster Devonian scorpion pictured above rather than with a tiny little spider taking refuge in his kitchen from the storm outside - let him.

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