blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:05 am
@cicerone imposter,

Quote:
We're sunk; half of America thinks this "woman" is presidential material.


As George Carlin put it, "Just think for a minute about how stupid the average American is. Now realize that half of them are stupider than that." It's a great joke even if applicable to any human group.

If it weren't for God's loving stewardship of the universe, I might begin to worry that we, as a species, might deadend sometime around next Tuesday.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:07 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Obama will lose.


Wager?
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:14 am
Whew...this comes just in time!


Quote:
Pope Benedict XVI starts off marathon Bible reading
Alessandro Di Meo / EPA
A huge screen inside Jerusalem's Basilica in Rome broadcasts the image of the pope beginning the seven-day reading marathon on Italian television.
For seven days and six nights, more than 1,000 people will read from Genesis to Apocalypse live on state television. The first segment ends with a spirited Roberto Benigni.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bible6-2008oct06,0,3096415.story
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:39 am
@blatham,
Sure.

If Obama wins, I will say something nice about you.

If McCain wins, you say something nice about me.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:52 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
It really comes down to the fact that you are upset because you see your Obamanation crumbling before your eyes.


Should I point out that Obama is polling as high or higher than he ever has? That the state poll maps show him leading almost everywhere? That his averages in the tracking polls are ABOVE 50%? That early turnout by Democrats in the states which allow such things is already reporting massive results for Obama?

I guess by 'crumbling' you mean' becoming more and more a reality.'

Even worse for McCain, is the fact that the economic situation this Monday morning looks bad; the Dow is 500 points off , strike that 550 points off, and today is the day that McCain has decided to start the smear campaign against Obama? The one that Obama has accused McCain of doing to 'distract from the economic situation?'

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:59 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Firefly wrote:
To say that Palin represents the average person is to do a disservice to the average person. The average person is smarter, better informed, better read, and better able to form and express definite opinions. And the average mother is considerably more concerned with the needs of her children and providing them with some semblance of an organized homelife than Palin (and her husband) appears to be. The average working woman likely balances her obligations of family and career far better than Palin does--Palin's children seem to get farmed out all over the place because neither parent is consistently around.


You must not watch the Jay Leno show when he does his Jay Walking bit. Your attack on her being a mother just shows your own stupidity and caveman style of thinking. What's more surprising is that I can see many of the liberal women here nodding along with you when you write crap like that.


I kinda questioned that statement by Firefly, but Jay Walking hardly picks "average" people. You only see the funny/outrageous bits; it's called "editing."
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firefly
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 09:02 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix, I am not at all threatened by Palin. I am appalled by her, and that is quite a different matter. I am appalled that such a poorly qualified candidate would be placed on a national ticket for an office that is a heartbeat away from the presidency.

This is not liberal hysteria, or partisan bias. George Will called Palin's experience "negligible" and pointed out she is probably the least qualified VP candidate in the past 75 years. Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker feels Palin is so unqualified to serve as president, if need be, that she should drop off the ticket for the sake of the country.

I notice you can't refute anything I said about Palin. Your comments are mainly attacks on me, but they dodge the issues I raise about Palin, just as she dodged questions she couldn't answer in her debate performance. Attacking the messenger or changing the subject is not a sufficient response in defense of Palin. Unless, of course, you really don't give a damn who runs the country. In that case, you really have no credibilty as a concerned citizen.

Tell me, please, Palin's position on the major domestic and foreign policy issues--quoting her in her own words, and without the standard talking points, if you can. What specific positions has she taken on education, health care, the foreclosure crisis, the dwindling size of our military, the timeframe for withdrawal from Iraq, etc.?

Tell me please, what family values does Palin espouse--beyond her anti-abortion stance and her opposition to gay marriage? Are her family values reflected in her own family? Aren't Republicans interested in these things too? What sort of role model is Palin for family values, based on her own behavior and her own immediate family.

Tell me please, why most Americans should not be worried about such a manifestly unqualified individual being one heartbeat away from the presidency? Tell me why conservative columinist Kathleen Parker was wrong in her appraisal of Palin?

blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 09:05 am
@firefly,
You can add David Brooks and Charlie Krauthammer to you list as well.

Here's a cute item...
Quote:
Cindy McCain on the Today Show, May 8, 2008:

"What you're going to see is a great debate. Which is what the American public deserves. None of this negative stuff, though. You won't see it come out of our side at all.”
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=2944
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 10:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
CI wrote: "But it's a marketing gambit without any depth of how she will run our country. This tells me more about conservative Americans than it does Palin; her winks and smiles seems to work better than words or knowledge."

Your statement reminds me of the article that I read yesterday. JTT provided the link on another thread.

Mad Dog Palin

The scariest thing about John McCain's running mate isn't how unqualified she is - it's what her candidacy says about America

Excerpt from Page 3:

Quote:
The truly disgusting thing about Sarah Palin isn't that she's totally unqualified, or a religious zealot, or married to a secessionist, or unable to educate her own daughter about sex, or a fake conservative who raised taxes and horked up earmark millions every chance she got. No, the most disgusting thing about her is what she says about us: that you can ram us in the ass for eight solid years, and we'll not only thank you for your trouble, we'll sign you up for eight more years, if only you promise to stroke us in the right spot for a few hours around election time.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin








Woiyo9
 
  0  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 11:53 am
@Debra Law,
From the article....."Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States."

Amazing that Matt Taibi has such a sour view on females in this country. I am amazed that a supposed female like Debra Law would stnad for such an outrageous statement.

Imagine, a woman working her way up the ladder of political success, being a multi term Mayor of a regular small town in America and beating back the republican machine in Alaska to become it's Gov.

Yea, that America is a bad place when a woman can be a success.

Shame on you Rolling Stone, Matt Taibi and every woman on A2K.

I can not live in a country where a woman can be successful, or even become an attorney.
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JTT
 
  0  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 09:23 pm
Quote:
Palin staff keep journalists locked inside press area to prevent them from writing ‘negative things.’»

During Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-AK) speech in Florida this morning, campaign staffers kept the press locked out of the park and away from supporters attending the speech:

Constantly under the watchful eyes of security, the media wasn’t permitted to wander around inside Coachman Park to talk to Sarah Palin supporters. When reporters tried to leave the designated press area and head toward the bleachers where the crowd was seated, an escort would dart out of nowhere and confront him or her and say, “Can I help you?” and turn the person around.

When one reporter asked an escort, who would not give her name, why the press wasn’t allowed to mingle, she said that in the past, negative things had been written. The campaign wanted to avoid that possibility Monday.

Palin has still yet to give a single press conference since being tapped as Sen. John McCain’s running mate on August 29.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/06/palin-press-lockdown/



"[N]egative things had been written"! Is there anything more negative for a "representative" of the people than hiding out with her followers? Absolutely stellar Republican presidential material.

========================

Steve Benen says:

Think about this -- it was a public event in which a public official, seeking public office, spoke at a public park. Journalists, bolstered by the First Amendment, were told they weren't allowed to talk to voters.

And the rationalization for this is that a political campaign wanted to stifle media access in order to ensure more positive coverage.

Unless there's some key detail the St. Petersburg Times neglected to mention, this sounds quite a bit like madness.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015053.php
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 6 Oct, 2008 10:33 pm
@JTT,
Now that they strong-armed away the freedom of speech (of the press), I can guess what else they will do to destroy our already wounded Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 12:43 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Unless there's some key detail the St. Petersburg Times neglected to mention, this sounds quite a bit like madness.
Word.
firefly
 
  2  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 04:20 am
@OCCOM BILL,
This type of campaigning is fostering and fuelling so much hatred, I think it's downright dangerous and irresponsible

Quote:
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain confidant, told The Post's David Broder that the campaign would "go down in history as stupid if they don't unleash" Palin. Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged.

McCain had said that racially explosive attacks related to Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are off limits. But Palin told New York Times columnist Bill Kristol in an interview published Monday: "I don't know why that association isn't discussed more."

Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." ...

But the campaign has reacted with recriminations (the St. Petersburg Times reported that the Florida Republican Party chairman, after questioning Palin's aptitude, was told that he couldn't fly on her plane) and now Palin's rage. ...

The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html?nav=hcmodule


That last comment is very chilling.

If this is the sort of atmosphere of hatred we would have in America , under a McCain/Palin administration, everyone in this country should be very, very frightened.

These people are downright dangerous.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 08:23 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html

I was struck by the hate I heard in the voices on TV. The people at Palin/McCain rallies hate Obama and were more than willing to voice their opinion.

Conservatives, you ought to take a hard look at what's going on... this **** is unsupportable and clearly a problem for your side.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 09:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
They won't see "it," because their brains went into the straight talk express bus mode. They're being taken for a ride because their religion is now McCain-Palin.
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 10:28 am
Is Palin Trying To Incite Violence Against Obama? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/is-palin-trying-to-incite_b_132534.html One wonders at this point how the various agencies charged with the responsibility of protecting the Presidential candidates from violence will respond to this latest tactic from the McCain campaign. If, for example, a McCain supporter threatens the life of Sen. Obama by shouting 'Kill him!' at a Palin rally, should Sen. Obama's Secret Service contingent launch an investigation? Having been accused of terrorist ties by the McCain campaign, will Sen. Obama's name be put on the 'No Fly' list, effectively making it impossible for him to engage in normal airline travel?

An even more basic question, perhaps: Is Gov. Palin trying to incite violence against Sen. Obama as part of an ill-conceived campaign strategy to change the topic from the economy at any cost?

Time will tell how law enforcement will respond, but one thing is already certain: the more Palin and McCain incite calls for violence against Sen. Obama, the more their chances of achieving a victory in November disappear.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 10:33 am
@blueflame1,
blueflame, You're giving too much credit to Americans. The conservatives are in lock-step with the Palin message; that's been confirmed by the crowds shouting approval of her rhetoric.

They have now established the right to incite violence against our political candidates; where will they stop?

The American electorate looks dumber and dumber, and they continue to crave for more dangerous rhetoric from the political leaders.

What more can be said?
blueflame1
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 10:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
Before Rabin was killed there was a public outcry for his assassination. Netenyahoo gave speeches where banners were on display and shouts in the crowd were heard demanding Rabin be killed. And this was proclaimed by many Rabbis to be the will and demand of G-D according to their interpretations of scripture. That sick kind of scenario has now befun to be played out in the American Presidential campaign. The FBI and Secret Service should speak out and take action.
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Tue 7 Oct, 2008 11:56 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Hate-mongers, fear-mongers, war-mongers, greed-mongers, liars, defamers, religious extremists, power & control freaks, hypocrites, and bigots . . . why is that they all gravitate toward the Republican party?
 

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