McCain's VP:

More "I don't speak Palin":

Quote:

Katie Couric: If this doesn't pass, do you think there's a risk of another Great Depression?

Sarah Palin: Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on. Not necessarily this, as it's been proposed, has to pass or we're gonna find ourselves in another Great Depression. But there has to be action taken, bipartisan effort " Congress not pointing fingers at this point at … one another, but finding the solution to this, taking action and being serious about the reforms on Wall Street that are needed.

Matt Yglesias' response:

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My sources at CBS also gave me the following video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww[/youtube]

Does that answer mean anything at all?

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@Berger,

Berger wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Berger wrote:

It is relevant to everything Obama is. It goes to his judgment and his ideology. You may agree with the ideology of them, I do not.

Because you say so, I suppose.

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Nope, because who one chooses to associate with matters in politics.

Actually, it really doesn't. There's not a lot of objective evidence that this matters to voters at all.

Can you provide any polling evidence, showing what a liability Obama's associations have been for him? During the period when they were first revealed, his polling numbers didn't drop one bit.

You don't seem to have any data to back up your contention.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Berger wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Berger wrote:

It is relevant to everything Obama is. It goes to his judgment and his ideology. You may agree with the ideology of them, I do not.

Because you say so, I suppose.

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Nope, because who one chooses to associate with matters in politics.

Actually, it really doesn't. There's not a lot of objective evidence that this matters to voters at all.

Can you provide any polling evidence, showing what a liability Obama's associations have been for him? During the period when they were first revealed, his polling numbers didn't drop one bit.

You don't seem to have any data to back up your contention.

Cycloptichorn

Well, Berger and I are both voters and it concerns us. Therefore you now have some polling evidence.

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@Berger,

Berger wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Berger wrote:

It is relevant to everything Obama is. It goes to his judgment and his ideology. You may agree with the ideology of them, I do not.

Because you say so, I suppose.

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Nope, because who one chooses to associate with matters in politics.

Hence why Bush is a more legitimate threat when it comes to association.

There are real reasons to fear that Bush's ideas and methods will be apparent in a McCain White House.

I'd love to hear how you think Ayers or Wright would have a presence. Rolling Eyes

If you believe this whole guilt by association thing, then the Maverick claim by the McCain camp is just bullshit turning your teeth brown.

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@McGentrix,

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Well, Berger and I are both voters and it concerns us. Therefore you now have some polling evidence.

No, you are both Republicans, and it doesn't actually concern you at all. It's just an attack on Obama that you think may work. It's not going to work. But I can understand why you would try, because you have nothing else.

Cycloptichorn

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@McGentrix,

Your ballot was red before McCain's name was on it. Obama's associations are irrelevant to your vote. You like to say so in hopes of influencing others though I'm sure.

I'm not impressed.

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@Diest TKO,

Ayers and Wright both view their own country in a dim light, also capitalism and freedom in a dim light, and if Obama apparently agrees, as birds of a feather flock together, then it affects everything in foreign policy, everything. Also, Israel, the survival of the one free nation in the Middle East has to fear for its very survival. As do we here, if Obama doesn't care about us.

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@okie,

But Obama does not see the the USA in a dim light. He see us as a great nation that deserves a leader that won't take advantage of our insecurities.

He's a very optimistic and patriotic person.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Obama is an intelligent
Agree he is intelligent, but misguided IMO.
and focused man
On the wrong agenda.
who will make a fine president.
Nope.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Well, Berger and I are both voters and it concerns us. Therefore you now have some polling evidence.

No, you are both Republicans,
Wrong. I am a conservative independent. Many things I disagree with on the GOP agenda.

Cycloptichorn

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

But Obama does not see the the USA in a dim light. He see us as a great nation that deserves a leader that won't take advantage of our insecurities.
Would not know that listening to his campaign rhetoric.

He's a very optimistic and patriotic person.
Optimistic...yes. Patriotic...not sure.

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@Berger,

Obama does see the the USA in a dim light.

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@Berger,

Berger wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Well, Berger and I are both voters and it concerns us. Therefore you now have some polling evidence.

No, you are both Republicans,
Wrong. I am a conservative independent. Many things I disagree with on the GOP agenda.

Cycloptichorn

Yeah, a lot of Republicans call themselves that these days. And who can blame them? But a leopard doesn't change it's spots, friend, and I know one when I see one.

I don't find your attacks upon Obama's associates to be particularly effective, and if you look at the polling data, you will see that pretty much nobody else did, either. On the other hand, Bush is still seen as a major liability for McCain...

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Berger wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Well, Berger and I are both voters and it concerns us. Therefore you now have some polling evidence.

No, you are both Republicans,
Wrong. I am a conservative independent. Many things I disagree with on the GOP agenda.

Cycloptichorn

Yeah, a lot of Republicans call themselves that these days.
I have been calling myself that for 30 years. Voted for Carter and Clinton (for his second term).

Cycloptichorn

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@Berger,

Berger wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

But Obama does not see the the USA in a dim light. He see us as a great nation that deserves a leader that won't take advantage of our insecurities.
Would not know that listening to his campaign rhetoric.

He's a very optimistic and patriotic person.
Optimistic...yes. Patriotic...not sure.

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I guess it depends on if the USA is a geographical collection of real estate or a collection of people so different but challenged to always be solution oriented.

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@Berger,

I'd love to hear what agenda you think the President should have.

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@sozobe,

Palin said "....taking action..." Hey, that answers everything, doesn't it. She's still BSing her way through the q's, and the conservatives really think they're getting serious answers to questions about our domestic policy.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

I'd love to hear what agenda you think the President should have.

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1. No tax increases except for national security unless offset by spending.

2. Development of ALL energy resources, including expanding drilling offshore and in ANWR.

3. Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4. Appoint USSC Justices who will interpret the Constitution in accordance with the original intent of the founders, as amended.

5. Leave education to the states.

6. Veto earmarks that do not benefit the whole country.

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@Berger,

Here's why Palin is unfit to be the VP, and why her and McCain's 'reformer' angle is complete BS.

From tonight's interview with Katie Couric,

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COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.

This ought to be a simple question for her to ask. This is the heart of their campaign. They chose 'reform' as their angle and message. Shouldn't the ability to articulate that message of reform, and show examples of how McCain has been an agent of reform in the past, be the first thing she learned?

Geez

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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