Berger
 
  0  
Wed 24 Sep, 2008 07:37 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Quote:
COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Cycloptichorn

That's more than Obama proposed regarding stricter regs
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 24 Sep, 2008 08:34 pm


If you get bored, you can fast forward to 7 minutes in, for the good part.

And a nice little nugget at 1:20 -

Quote:
The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It's high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. That's what we are waiting for. That's part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the -- you know -- if you look at the Israelites, that's how they work. And that's how they are, even today.


Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Wed 24 Sep, 2008 08:46 pm
McCain's VP:
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JTT
 
  0  
Wed 24 Sep, 2008 08:56 pm
Even the training wheels aren't helping Sarah. She doesn't know any but she's more than willing to mouth the memes.


Quote:
Palin unable to name any examples of McCain ‘pushing for more regulation’ in the past 26 years.

In her interview with Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) tonight, CBS’s Katie Couric noted that the governor has said, “John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business.” “Can you give us any more examples of his leading the charge for more oversight?” Couric asked. Palin, however, refused to answer the question directly, instead going on about how McCain is seen as a “maverick.” When pressed further by Couric, Palin was unable to name any examples of McCain pushing for more regulation:

PALIN: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.

COURIC: I’m just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.

PALIN: I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/24/palin-regulation/

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JTT
 
  0  
Wed 24 Sep, 2008 09:01 pm
More on the job training to replace Bush, Rove and the gang. How to bury any investigation.

Quote:
Under Alaska Law, Palin Could Halt Personnel Board Troopergate Investigation At Any Moment

Declaring yesterday that they are “done answering questions” about Troopergate, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) and her aides have refused to cooperate with the legislative assembly’s investigation into allegations she wrongfully fired the police commissioner. Instead, they are answering only to the Personnel Board investigation " a board of three people appointed by the governor. (All three were appointed by former Republican Gov. Frank Murkowski, and one was reappointed by Palin.)

Today, the Anchorage Daily News reports that Palin could end the Personnel Board hearing “simply by refusing to cooperate.” State law allows the person who filed the complaint " in this case, Palin herself " to end the investigation by refusing to participate:

Alaska Statute 39.52.310: (i) The unwillingness of a complainant to assist in an investigation, the withdrawal of a complaint, or restitution by the subject of the complaint may, but need not in and of itself, justify termination of an investigation or proceeding.

The investigation, in other words, could end any moment Palin " or the McCain campaign " decides it’s going too far. Alternatively, even if the Personnel Board inquiry is allowed to be completed, its findings could remain secret. “The proceedings of the board are conducted in secret,” the New York Times reported, and according to former Alaska Gov. Tony Knowles, it may never release its findings publicly:

“The personnel board would usually take two or three months to take a look at this,” [Knowles] said. “Nothing about the complaints are made public until there is a final report, and even that may not be made public.”

Palin has apparently learned a lot from the current Vice President. That she could suspend the inquiry at any moment or keep its findings " which will likely come out long after the election " secret forever only emphasizes how crucial it is that Palin and McCain stop stonewalling the Alaska legislature’s independent, bipartisan investigation and allow the truth to come out.

UpdateThe investigating lawyer appointed by the Personnel Board, Tim Petumenos, has helped Palin in the past, as the Anchorage Daily News points out: "In 2002, his firm handled the $15 million bond issue for Wasilla's hockey complex, a pet project of then-mayor Palin."

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/24/troopergate-personnel/

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barackman28
 
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Wed 24 Sep, 2008 11:38 pm
@McGentrix,
Senator Obama has already indicated that Ayers is just a guy who lives in his neighborhood.

Senator Obama is not tobe tarred with the private thoughts of his pastor. I am certain that most politicians do not agree with every singleword issued from the pulpits of the churches they attend.

And the comment about Farrakhan was just silly. Can you imaging Senator Obama going around as a community organizer and explicitlydenigrating a man who, rightly or wrongly, is considered a hero among most black people in Chicago.


Joe McCarthy tried the "friends of" bit. He was laughed off the political stage.


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okie
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:17 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

But Obama does not see the the USA in a dim light. He see us as a great nation that deserves a leader that won't take advantage of our insecurities.

He's a very optimistic and patriotic person.

T
K
O

I don't believe it, TKO. No reason to believe it. And alot of reasons not to believe it.

I have been around too long and have seen too many politicians to be that naive to believe it. I base it on listening to the man, looking at his track record, and reading his book.
Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:18 am
@okie,
No, there are not, Okie. There's only one reason not to believe it: fear. That's what is behind every Republican attack on Obama's patriotism and love of country. A pervasive and deep fear that Obama is going to win.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:19 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Baloney, cyclops. Fear, nonsense, it is something called reality.

My opposition to Obama is not based upon unfounded fears, that is nonsense. But I do fear he will be elected, and everything I believe this country stands for will be trashed.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:22 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, there are not, Okie. There's only one reason not to believe it: fear. That's what is behind every Republican attack on Obama's patriotism and love of country. A pervasive and deep fear that Obama is going to win.

Cycloptichorn


I thought the current liberal meme was racism. Do try to keep up to date on your talking points Cyc.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:26 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, there are not, Okie. There's only one reason not to believe it: fear. That's what is behind every Republican attack on Obama's patriotism and love of country. A pervasive and deep fear that Obama is going to win.

Cycloptichorn


I thought the current liberal meme was racism. Do try to keep up to date on your talking points Cyc.


What do you think racism is based upon, McG?

Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:28 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Baloney, cyclops. Fear, nonsense, it is something called reality.

My opposition to Obama is not based upon unfounded fears, that is nonsense. But I do fear he will be elected, and everything I believe this country stands for will be trashed.


Yes, it is based upon unfounded fears.

If you went on and on about his policies, fine; I could understand that. He's a liberal, you're conservative, it's normal. But you go on and on about his character and his patriotism. That's fear talking, for you have no real objective evidence to show the things you are claiming.

Just admit that you are afraid of a strong liberal being elected, and so you are trashing his persona to try and face those fears down.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  2  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 08:34 am
@Cycloptichorn,
If he is elected, I will hope for the best, perhaps the man will wake up and smell the coffee, but I would rather not take that chance. I do not wish to see the country's leadership placed into the hands of an ultra liberal that doesn't appreciate the most valuable aspects of this country, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Too many people have died for it, to turn it over to somebody that can't even see that.
old europe
 
  2  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 10:15 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
My opposition to Obama is not based upon unfounded fears, that is nonsense.


okie wrote:
I do not wish to see the country's leadership placed into the hands of an ultra liberal that doesn't appreciate the most valuable aspects of this country, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


I guess if you can't see the contradiction, you can't see the contradiction.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 10:22 am
@old europe,
okie is very consistent in his contradictions; he'll never "see it."
okie
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 01:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You guys are apparently too blind to see the difference between founded fears and unfounded fears. Cyclops accusation was typical of liberal talking points, that Bush and conservatives in general govern by using fear, insinuating the fear is unfounded and trumped up fear, which is a total and absolute crock.
blueflame1
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 03:37 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
This witch hunting thing is glossed over but in Africa it's nothing to sneeze at. Palin's brand of christianity is steeped in violence in the name of the Lord including a Rapture end times war. But within that war are smaller wars and witch hunts are part of it. "Children are targets of Nigerian witch hunt" Evangelical pastors are helping to create a terrible new campaign of violence against young Nigerians. Children and babies branded as evil are being abused, abandoned and even murdered while the preachers make money out of the fear of their parents and their communities

Watch the video: Child 'witches' in Africa, and click here to see a related gallery http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver Tracy McVeigh in Esit Eket The Observer, Sunday December 9 2007 Article historyThe rainy season is over and the Niger Delta is lush and humid. This southern edge of West Africa, where Nigeria's wealth pumps out of oil and gas fields to bypass millions of its poorest people, is a restless place. In the small delta state of Akwa Ibom, the tension and the poverty has delivered an opportunity for a new and terrible phenomenon that is leading to the abuse and the murder of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of children. And it is being done in the name of Christianity.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  3  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 03:47 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

...I do not wish to see the country's leadership placed into the hands of an ultra liberal that doesn't appreciate the most valuable aspects of this country, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Too many people have died for it, to turn it over to somebody that can't even see that.


this isn't a criticism of your comment, but sometimes it seems that a lot of conservatives tend to see only the things about america that you mentioned.

what i'm getting at is that viewing every little thing through the lens of "struggle" doesn't seem to be any way to live. we all get enough struggle every day just to eat and sleep indoors. like you, i've been around long enough to know the difference. we seem to have come to different conclusions about what makes life good.

i find it difficult to understand why some conservatives believe that they have a monopoly on "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

the things that constitute those qualities to "liberals" may be different than yours, but they are every bit as valid. and, as american citizens, liberals (who make up at least 50% of the country) have every bit as much right to pursue those things in the ways that they choose as conservatives do.

to me, that's what america means. "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for all citizens, not just the ones i agree with.

to be fair, i do come across some liberals who are pretty narrow minded about this stuff, but from the opposite direction.

it just seems a little creepy to me to see the world as one where america must constantly be at war with somebody, anybody.

not all wars are bad and not all wars are necessary.

cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 04:37 pm
@okie,
okie, You conservatives don't know how to "rationalize" fear in your lives. More people die from car and other accidents near home then through terrorists activities - each and every year. Natural disasters add considerably more to that pot of the dead when compared to terrorism.

It's what most people with common sense apply to their lives. Irrational fear is what you practice.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Thu 25 Sep, 2008 04:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
... Irrational fear ...


Irrational fear ...is the exact result any terrorist seeks. get his target(s) so bound up they can't think straight.
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