McCain's VP:

@Cycloptichorn,

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do you believe that it's appropriate to charge Per Diem travel expenses when you are staying at home?

In Alaska, yes I do. In New York, no I don't.

She has laid off the Gov. chef, sold off the Gov jet and cut Gov expenses tremendously from the previous administration.

What difference does it make if the state pays for her to live in the Gov mansion 1000 miles away or her own modest home? Either way, her living expenses get paid.

She is a reformist, but I think that she is reforming the way you'd like. She is anti-abortion (which I disagree with), she is pro-creationist (which I disagree with), she is for small government, individual accountablilty, etc...

It has commonly been stated that executives do not ever give back power granted bu the previous administration. One of the things Dem's use against McCain i believe, yet here we have palin giving back privilidges granted by the previous administration... Yet that gets over looked by the Dems.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

It has commonly been stated that executives do not ever give back power granted bu the previous administration. One of the things Dem's use against McCain i believe, yet here we have palin giving back privilidges granted by the previous administration... Yet that gets over looked by the Dems.

Well, privilege does not equal power, but otherwise a good point.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

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do you believe that it's appropriate to charge Per Diem travel expenses when you are staying at home?

In Alaska, yes I do. In New York, no I don't.

Guwha? I don't understand this reasoning at all. Why is it appropriate in one place, but not the other? Per Diem is for paying for meals and lodging when you are on the road, not when you are at home. It has a very clear definition by the IRS.

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She has laid off the Gov. chef

Yeah, about that? She didn't lay the chef off, just found him a different job, paying the same amount. Didn't save anyone money.

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It has commonly been stated that executives do not ever give back power granted bu the previous administration. One of the things Dem's use against McCain i believe, yet here we have palin giving back privilidges granted by the previous administration... Yet that gets over looked by the Dems.

Hmm, I don't think she really gave back all that many privledges. I'm not trying to make her out to be a demon or anything; she's clearly not. But charging Per Diem when you are not traveling is fraud. As I said earlier, you and I would be fired for doing this. You might be able to tell your boss, 'But, I saved the company tons of money in these other ways!!'; that doesn't make it right or excuse the fraud.

My guess is that we will be reading more about this in the days to come.

Cycloptichorn

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@firefly,

firefly, I think alot of our problems in regard to economics are personal. We ignore that, and instead blame government for everything. People are spending and running up credit card debt, buying homes they can't afford, and regardless of what government does, it amounts to personal responsibility. I think people need to first look themselves in the mirror instead of blaming government.

Secondly, government is another problem, with the same people, us, that is running it, and not running it responsibly, spending out the wazoo, meanwhile politicians continue to promise more spending, and we vote for the politicians that promise the most, go figure.

Add to this scenario that businesses are running irresponsibly, running out on a limb, and not allowing for downturns. If anything goes wrong, many businesses are on the edge of bankruptcy. The same people that run their own lives irresponsibly, on credit, are also running businesses in the same manner. Of course, I am generalizing, but I think as a person involved in business, I see more of this behavior than I did 20 or 30 years ago, irresponsible business behavior I am talking about.

Also, many people, primarily Democrats demonize business, and business is the one thing that provides economic activity and growth.

We have everything totally backwards, but to blame government for the entire problem is not correctly identifying the whole problem. It starts with us.

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@okie,

okie, Most of the problems stems from the higher cost of food and fuel, loss of value of the American dollar, higher cost of health care, and job security. These

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclo,

Yes, we will be hearing more. I don't think it is what you are making it out to be but it certainly doesn't play into her perceived role as a new kind of politician.

According to the story I read, she is considered to be on the road when she is away from Juneau so is entitled to per diem. What she is entitled to vs what she feels morally OK with are two different things. While it might be legal for her to take money when she is in Wasilla, the fact that she does so means she thinks it is moral to do it. That is not a new kind of politician. It is just another pig at the trough.

What I found interesting was the charges to the state to fly her family to watch her husband compete in the Iron Dog snowmobile contest. That sounds like more of a conflict of interest than anything else that was listed.

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@cicerone imposter,

Perhaps. I am optimistic, but I think we need to get our financial house in order. You have been predicting disaster in some financial areas for quite a while, and for personal observations that I will not go into, relative to my experiences in business over the last few years, I think the business world is held together in a rather tenuous manner these days. Irresponsibility is more rampant than it used to be, and the same things observed with personal finances, I think it is spilling over into how people run businesses, which I would describe as "on the edge."

I run my personal finances, etc. conservatively and responsibly, but it is disturbing to observe so much irresponsibility around me. Can you relate to that, ci? It is to the point that I begin to wonder about more banks, and sure they are insured, but there is a limit.

I believe we need to wake up and reform our entire attitude, that is to quit attacking business and economic activity. We need to reform our tax system big time so that we can compete with foreign manufacturing and commerce, we need to produce more of our own energy, we need more sound banking and lending practices, and we need to quit teaching our children that business, such as oil companies, are evil.

And the government cannot give away money and take care of everybody without a strong economy, period.

Theres my rant for the day.

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@okie,

Well, not the same conclusions I would have come to, but fair enough. I think that the lack of effective oversight under the Bush admin has encouraged an environment of irresponsibility in the financial and other sectors of our economy.

Today's youth may have Ipods and automobiles, and eat well, but they don't have savings accounts. Too many of my friends don't save money. We don't encourage it in our Consumer society anymore. That's gotta change.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Our culture is failing us. Our educational system is failing us. And politicians are failing us. And voters are voting for the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Its called give me give me give me give me voters. Better known as Obama voters shouting change, which when translated means give me more stuff.

We need change alright, and that change starts with looking in the mirror, not electing some phony politician promising more stuff.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

...But why does she get paid a per diem to stay at home?...

kinda odd considering how much she makes out of "firing" the governor's personal chef. who she apparently only shuttled to new job titles while still having her cook.

just another shell game.

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@McGentrix,

They aren't happy if she saves money for the taxpayer, McGentrix. They will keep digging.

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@okie,

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They aren't happy if she saves money for the taxpayer, McGentrix. They will keep digging.

saving tax payer's money = good.

spending the money and saying that you aren't = bad.

see the difference ?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

okie wrote:

They aren't happy if she saves money for the taxpayer, McGentrix. They will keep digging.

saving tax payer's money = good.

spending the money and saying that you aren't = bad.

see the difference ?

Yes there is a difference. Problem is that isn't the case in Alaska. You just can't find it in yourself to accept that is all.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

okie wrote:

They aren't happy if she saves money for the taxpayer, McGentrix. They will keep digging.

saving tax payer's money = good.

spending the money and saying that you aren't = bad.

see the difference ?

Yes there is a difference. Problem is that isn't the case in Alaska. You just can't find it in yourself to accept that is all.

On the contrary, that's exactly the case we're discussing here.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

How many muckrakers, private investigators, and lawyers do the Democrats or the Obama people have in Alaska right now, cyclops? Probably doubled the population of the state?

If even 10% of the investigators had been sent onto Obama, we might know something about the man.

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@okie,

okie, It doesn't matter how many people investigate any candidate before election, unless you wish to remain uninformed. 10%, 100%, should be no problem.

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@okie,

What don't you know about Obama?

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An important thing to consider is that Palin would be a chicken bone away from the presidency. Haven't we experienced enough ignorance in the White House with Bush? Palin jumped around five different colleges before getting a degree. She traveled abroad all of one time. She admits she knows nothing about Iraq. Her selection by McCain is an insult to the many really qualified women and men around.

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Women see themselves in Palin.

Growing numbers of women are flocking to support McCain & Palin.

Obama can't survive this evaporation of female support.

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@okie,

Wow.. You really think there are 1.5 million people in Alaska investigating Palin? How did they all get there? Did they buy planes on ebay?

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