FreeDuck
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:05 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

You are onto something, yes Bush is more like one of the guys. I don't think his education went to his head.


You can say that again.
0 Replies
 
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:07 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:


Oh, please. There are just as many on the Right that are pessimistic as those on the Left.


That's not true.

The Left is the #1 party of Gloom & Doom.
They whine about it and they will bring it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:15 am
@Eva,
Eva wrote:

That video's been pulled, Cyclo.

I bet it's not the only one, either.


It's working for me - just clicked on it again to check.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:20 am
Palin is a liar and a thief of public monies.

Quote:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews

She's not a 'different' kind of Republican. She's not a 'maverick.' She's not an 'agent of change.' She's the same as the current bunch we have. She's a liar. She is hiding from investigations of abuses of power. She has used her office to illegally enrich herself. She in many ways is an insult to America: trained to spit out attack lines against Obama, with no real policy experience whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
  1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:21 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
Have you heard Rush, or Bohrs? Pathetic whiners, the both of 'em.

And, I'd like to add, shrill.
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McGentrix
 
  3  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,
*sniff-sniff*

Smells like... desperation.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:36 am
@McGentrix,
Nah, that's Fraud you smell. The sort of thing you and I would get fired for, McG.

Look, I'd discuss her policies or her media appearances, but she doesn't seem to have either, so what are we left with?

The lies and fraud and dodging her past is going to catch up with her. Palin was a desperation pick for McCain; it's been widely reported that he wanted Lieberman, but was convinced by his advisers that it would be a mistake. She's a pretty face, but empty.

Cycloptichorn
FreeDuck
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:37 am
@McGentrix,
Sounds like high school taunting.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:39 am
Meanwhile... Sarah Plain's approval ratings continue to rise Cool
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joefromchicago
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:54 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

*sniff-sniff*

Smells like... desperation.

He who smelt it dealt it.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:00 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Fraud?

Maybe you missed these parts from the story you posted...

Quote:
Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin's expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.

Quote:
Speaking from Palin's Anchorage office, Leighow said Palin dealt with the plane and also trimmed other expenses, including forgoing a chef in the governor's mansion because she preferred to cook for her family. The first family's travel is an expected part of the job, she said.

"As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state," she said. "It's absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events."

The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor's office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: "The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it."

Quote:
Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski.



There are no lies or fraud. You are upset that Palin is receiving the lion's share of coverage at the moment leaving Obama standing around slack jawed.

Palin was an excellent strategic move and that makes you afraid. So you lash out and call it desperation... Sorry, but you will just have to suffer through the McCain administration with the rest of the disgruntled libbies.


Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:07 am
@McGentrix,
Oh, geez McG: so, somebody from Palin's office says 'oh, what she was doing was Okay, nothing to see here...'; and that makes it okay? Hardly. That was her spokeswoman talking. What do you expect her to say? That Palin is guilty of fraud? Please.

I can tell you with all honesty: Palin does not scare me. She will not catapult McCain to victory. She doesn't have what it takes to get it done and neither does McCain. As I said above, if she had the guts to do an interview or give out policy proposals or ANYTHING other then set speeches, we'd be talking about that. But she doesn't, so this is what we are left with.

I'm even willing to admit that the Gov should be exempt from travel regulations. Great. But why does she get paid a per diem to stay at home? I doubt AK law supports that. And you didn't address that.

I'm uninterested in your jibes at me, but I encourage you to keep it up if you think it will make a compelling counter-argument.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:22 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I'm even willing to admit that the Gov should be exempt from travel regulations. Great. But why does she get paid a per diem to stay at home? I doubt AK law supports that. And you didn't address that.


So, without knowledge of the facts, you are ready and willing to declare fraud and lies?

It's typical from the left and a bit tiresome. Being in the opposition party does not automatically mean they are liars and fraudsters. It has been non-stop with the Palin commentary about what a horrible mother she is, how incompent she must be, etc.

Now, you guys are just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks. That cries of desperation and you know it.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:25 am
@McGentrix,
Don't feed the Cyclotroll!
McGentrix
 
  4  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:31 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Don't feed the Cyclotroll!


Huh? I find my discussions with Cyc to be informative. He is a knowledgable guy on the exact opposite side of the political spectrum. You'd do well to learn from him and emulate his argumentative style.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:33 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Don't feed the Cyclotroll!


Huh? I find my discussions with Cyc to be informative. He is a knowledgable guy on the exact opposite side of the political spectrum.


I don't share your view of Cyclotroll, I find him abrasive, arrogant and biased.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:34 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I'm even willing to admit that the Gov should be exempt from travel regulations. Great. But why does she get paid a per diem to stay at home? I doubt AK law supports that. And you didn't address that.


So, without knowledge of the facts, you are ready and willing to declare fraud and lies?

It's typical from the left and a bit tiresome. Being in the opposition party does not automatically mean they are liars and fraudsters. It has been non-stop with the Palin commentary about what a horrible mother she is, how incompent she must be, etc.

Now, you guys are just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks. That cries of desperation and you know it.


Well, I do believe there are many honorable and good Republicans out there, who merely disagree with me on issues. Just b/c they are the oppo doesn't necessarily make them bad.

But I want to cut to the quick of this issue: do you believe it is appropriate for the supposedly Fiscal Conservative, Gov. of Alaska, to bill for Per Diem whether she is traveling or not? She basically charged the AK taxpayer 20k to stay in her own house. I don't understand how you or anyone could support that. You know very well that you or I would be fired from our employment for falsifying Per Diem charges.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@Cycloptichorn,
By living at home, she is actually saving Alaska money. She is not travelling back and forth between the (now mothballed) Gov. mansion with all it's attendant costs and home. She also has not claimed all the per diem costs available to her.

Being Gov is an expensive job. She travels extensively between the sparse population centers and all that costs money. Despite the appearance of improproety, she is reforming the Gov's role in Alaska. Isn't that what a reformer does?
FreeDuck
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:43 am
@McGentrix,
Sounds like the McGentrix I know.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 9 Sep, 2008 09:50 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

By living at home, she is actually saving Alaska money. She is not travelling back and forth between the (now mothballed) Gov. mansion with all it's attendant costs and home. She also has not claimed all the per diem costs available to her.

Being Gov is an expensive job. She travels extensively between the sparse population centers and all that costs money. Despite the appearance of improproety, she is reforming the Gov's role in Alaska. Isn't that what a reformer does?


You realize that none of this is an answer to my question: do you believe that it's appropriate to charge Per Diem travel expenses when you are staying at home?

We aren't talking about travel expenses on the road, that's what Per Diem is for. And to be frank, it's not convincing to say that she's 'reforming the Gov's role in AK' without giving evidence of how she's doing that.

Cycloptichorn
 

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