The Anointed
 
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Mon 13 Dec, 2021 03:29 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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Sure, you can if you wanna. But I think it's awfully easy for him to offer when just before he is talking about how he never ever has been wrong.
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I'm sure LF knows that I said that I have always been correct in my religious beliefs according to the data that I had accumulated at any given point in time.

But that I have never been and nor am I now, truly correct in the way I live, although I continue to evolve toward the perfection that my God demands, and, I hold precious the memory of my past life, because that has made me 'WHO I AM' today, and those memories stop me from making the same mistakes in the future.

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I am on record talking about Jonah and how he wants those he doesn't like to be condemned.


But you haven't the required intelligence to understand that the nation that was to be destroyed, truly repented of their sins, and were saved, because as revealed in Ezekiel 18: 21-23; “If an evil person stops sinning and keeps my laws, if he does what is right and good, he will not die; he will certainly live. All his sins will be forgiven, and he will live, because he did what is right. Do you think I enjoy seeing an evil person die?” asks the Sovereign LORD. “No, I would rather see him repent and live.

Obviously Jonah was not yet perfected.

Unlike Jonah, I have always called for people like you, who twist and distort the words of the lord and add your unholy yeast (Such as Jesus was born a female, etc) into the pure unleavened bread that came down from above, to repent of your evil ways and follow the teachings of the Lord.

FOOT PRINTS IN TIME
I’ve left them in the desert, on the beach and in the snow
On the mountain tops, the river beds, in fact everywhere I go
Tiny footprints ---- indentations to mark the pathways that I’ve trod
And yet they vanish from the sight all, except the piercing eyes of God

And he’s always been inside me, since the day I ceased to crawl
He watched me take my first small step, saw me stumble, he saw me fall
Life lets me make me own mistakes, and (god) how many have I made
But thank the Lord I’ve learnt from them, that’s how life's game is played

The life I’ve lived, the guilt, the shame, but I wouldn’t change a dot
Cos it’s made me who I am today, and to me that means a lot
I’ll never be an Einstein, a Rembrandt or Khayyam
But I’ve gained a greater inner peace, and I’m content with who I am

Undoubtedly I’ll fall again, mistakes will knock me off my feet
But they’ll be new encounters mate, past sins I’ll not repeat
For I store the memory of my crimes, like others store their gold
And my treasure house keeps growing as my future life unfolds.... The Anointed.

And so my friend, come soar with me
To the outer limits of reality
This universe, though wide it seems
Is but the shadow of our dreams
We are nought but knowledge in these tents
Refined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of man and neath His rod
We are one, we're the Son of God
The past, the present, the future is He
He was, He is, and He will be
And heaven is but a point in time
To where the spirit in man must climb
Eventually when He's there at last
And stands and gazes on His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven
Then all His past will be forgiven.
I am who I am, the die is cast
For I was created by my past
And we, who we are this very day
Determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be me......... The Anointed.



bulmabriefs144
 
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Mon 13 Dec, 2021 06:14 pm
@The Anointed,
The lesson of Jonah is that God chose him to be a prophet, despite the fact that he was a judgemental asshole. He knew very well that God would work through him to use his natural charisma, and manage to convince the whole of Ninevah (I don't have any charisma, so I can't convince one person to turn from their ways) to repent. But he hated the result and spent the entire time sulking. He wanted God to blow them to kingdom come, but he knew God was forgiving, so he fled to sea and got eaten in the first place.

If you want to be a judgemental asshole and judge people for their beliefs, you ought to at least save a city doing it.

Suppose God told you tomorrow that I would need to be saved. But the message was not that I was wrong about my theology. Rather God wanted me to fix a certain broken relationship with a friend. Would you be able to do as God said? Or like Jonah, would you be unable to get out of you own way, and try to tell me that God REALLY told you that you had been right all along?

Do we pray in the Lord's prayer "my will be done?" No, it's "thy will be done." We are reminded that as much as we might think God will curse those who do not believe that Jesus has brown hair and wears a red robe, it is up to God. That God wants something different.

So about that friend, you think you can help me out?
The Anointed
 
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Mon 13 Dec, 2021 06:39 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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(I don't have any charisma, so I can't convince one person to turn from their ways)


What a pity that you can't convince 'ONE' person to turn from their ways, which are not your ways, and turn to your God (THE FEMALE JESUS) who with her heavenly Father created the boundless Cosmos. Isn't it a crying shame, that no one likes the flavour of your foul tasting yeast swollen polluted bread.

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So about that friend, you think you can help me out?


YES! Repent of your evil ways and turn to the truth as revealed in "HIS" words, rather than twisting and distorting the words of salvation, and perhaps like the people of Nineveh, you too might be saved.

And although the Lord has sworn what is to happen to the evil people, who would turn away the people who are searching for the truth: I, unlike Jonah, will not sulk if you choose to repent of your evil ways and turn to the truths as revealed in 'HIS' words, and are then saved.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Mon 13 Dec, 2021 11:01 pm
@The Anointed,
I don't need you to accept my theology that Jesus is female.
I need you to be able to forgive me for believing as I do.

You see, my beliefs are between me and God. I decided to share them, but I did not ask you to judge me.

So to tell me that God does not forgive me for them, that is to take God's name in vain.
Taking God's name in vain does not mean saying, "Oh my God!" or "God dammit." Although the latter is closer to the truth. Saying "God dammit" is the equivalent of commanding God to damn something.

https://rachelnstephens.com/2017/07/09/taking-lords-name-in-vain/

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“Never swear by my name in order to deceive anyone. This dishonors the name of your God. I am the Lord."

Lev 19:12

https://todaysdailyblessing.com/todays-verse-taking-the-lords-name-in-vain-it-doesnt-mean-what-you-think/

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Many Bible scholars say it means something else, including Dr. Michael Heiser, who says this passage would be better translated as: “Do not misrepresent the name.”


https://credohouse.org/blog/taking-the-lords-name-in-vain-what-does-it-really-mean

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What does this mean for us? Well, for starters we understand that the third commandment is focused on something more foundational than simply saying “God damn it!” While some people may never think of using that phrase, people all over the Christian religious landscape are breaking the third commandment every day, damaging the Lord’s reputation:

“Thus saith the Lord…”
“God told me to tell you…”
“I have a word from the Lord…”
“God says that if you send in this much money, you will be blessed.”

I could go on and on, but you get the point.


You may say that you come on behalf of Jesus, which you do as a Christian (which you may or may not be). But this means you are held accountable as a representative to tell the truth, as best as you understand it. And how you represent Christianity. But you may not tell people that you know what God will tell them is good or evil, right or wrong. Because you are human. You cannot know that.

You take God's name in vain when you claim to be His child (as in, literally taking God's name), but your works show you to not belong to him. You do this whenever you falsely claim to judge on behalf of God.

John 8
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“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”


But God probly does not judge his own children, not for their beliefs. For their lack of belief maybe. The pagans and atheists, and those who deny Christ may have to justify themselves before God. But a Lutheran cannot say to a Methodist that because they believe sanctification is given by works, they cannot be saved. Any more than a Calvinist can tell someone that because they do not believe in predestination, they are not saved.
Oh sure, they can try. But such words are ultimately empty. It's up to God to judge whether our faith is true or not.

You have been taking the Lord's name in vain for quite awhile now. It's time to stop.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 14 Dec, 2021 12:47 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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I don't need you to accept my theology that Jesus is female

And why would I deny the truth as revealed in the words of the Lord and accept your lie that Jesus was a female, who was never and could never have been circumcised, who was the co-creator of the boundless Cosmos, countless billions upon billions of years ago, after which she came down to earth some two thousand years ago and entered the womb of some supposed ever virgin, where God created a human like body for her, in order to walk the earth, disguised as a human being, born of the seed of Adam, and who is to become the heir to the throne her ancestor King David as the Queen of the Jews. "QUEEN OF THE JEWS"??? That'll be the day.

Nah mate, I don't judge 'YOU" but I do judge your belief.

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I need you to be able to forgive me for believing as I do.


I can forgive 'YOU' if you sin against me, but I have neither the authority to judge "YOU" nor to condemn 'YOU" for defaming the Lord, the 'MOST HIGH' in the creation will do that.

1 Timothy 5:20 20But those teachers who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. Why do you teach contrary to the words of the Lord.

2 Timothy 4:2 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction.
3; The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and will collect for themselves more and more teachers who will tell them what they are itching to hear.

How many different religions did you say that you have based your belief on?

Titus 3:10-11 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say to a wicked person, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.

So, let me warn you that you have been taking the Lord's name in vain for quite awhile now. It's time to stop teaching others that our chosen King and High priest, is the daughter of our heavenly Father and 'HIS' heavenly Father.

I cannot, and do not JUDGE "YOU" my friend, that's up to the Lord, but I refuse to be held accountable for your sinful and unrepentant lies against the Lord.



bulmabriefs144
 
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Tue 14 Dec, 2021 07:31 am
@The Anointed,
As long as we're clear on that point.
You can't speak for God, nor can you condemn me in God's name.

Now I personally don't like you much. But that's my business.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 14 Dec, 2021 05:23 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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As long as we're clear on that point. You can't speak for God, nor can you condemn me in God's name.


Correct! I don't speak for God, but I do reveal what the Lord has said through his prophets, nor can I condemn you in the name of the Lord, who you defame with your false teachings, which are contrary to everything revealed in God' word. It is the Lord himself who will condemn all those who defame his name and refuse to repent of their sins against him.

Jude 1: 14-15; "It was Enoch, the seventh, who long ago prophesied this about them: “The Lord will come with many thousands of his holy angels to bring judgement on all, to condemn them all for the godless deeds they have performed and for all the terrible words that godless sinners have spoken against him!”

bulmabriefs144
 
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Tue 14 Dec, 2021 10:27 pm
@The Anointed,
And there are many writings in the Bible. Many of which contradict each other.

We know from Jesus's temptation in the wilderness (it should be just after the point where you say that God supposed MAKES Jesus the Son of God, rather than him being that way since conception) that the devil can quote scripture.

The Devil wrote:
And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. (Psalm 91)


We know also that the devil can take the form of an angel of light.

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For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.


Lastly, we know that Satan is an accuser. Therefore, even if people seem to be doctors or teachers, experts, or wise men, we should trust in God. Not men, nor, angels, nor anyone's opinion but God. Even when the scripture is quoted against us, we walk a fine line between understanding that we do have sin and must confess our failings (1 John 1:8-9), and understanding that God is ultimately the one to judge (Ecclesiastes 12:14) and forgive us (Hebrews 8:12). If we live without as though the laws of God don't matter, we are lost, as the godless atheists are lost. But the important thing to remember is the purpose of the law.

What is the purpose of the law?
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10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.


The law is literally a curse. That is, it is set up so as to be impossible for us to keep. We are supposed to fail at it to lead us to Jesus. Outside of perfectionism, and into grace. By contrast, if we live according to the laws...
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11When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned. 12For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14When I saw that they were not walking in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

15We who are Jews by birth and not Gentile “sinners” 16know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

17But if, while we seek to be justified in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, does that make Christ a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18If I rebuild what I have already torn down, I prove myself to be a lawbreaker.

19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, Christ died for nothing.


You shouldn't be so judgemental, for this is living like a Jew not a Christian. But neither will I believe your judgements are relevant to God. So I guess I don't mind that much.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 14 Dec, 2021 11:54 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
And there are many writings in the Bible. Many of which appear to contradict each other, by the biblically ignorant.

We know of Jesus's temptation in the wilderness, which was just after 'HIS' baptism by 'HIS' mother's first cousin John, when the spirit of the Lord descended upon "HIM" in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my 'SON', 'THIS DAY' I have begotten thee", as vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely by the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, who want you to believe that Jesus was born the "SON" of God, when 'HE" popped out of some ever virgins birth cannel. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.” The day of 'HIS' baptism.

Titus 3:10-11; Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say to a wicked person, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.

I cannot, and do not JUDGE "YOU" my friend, that's up to the Lord, but I refuse to be held accountable for your sinful and unrepentant lies against the Lord and 'HIS' words.

Jude 1: 14-15; "It was Enoch, the seventh direct descendant from Adam, who long ago prophesied this about them: “The Lord will come with many thousands of his holy angels to bring judgement on all, to condemn them all for the godless deeds they have performed and for all the terrible words that godless sinners have spoken against him!”

Matthew 25: 31-34; “When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left. Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world.

Verse 41: “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels!"

These are the words spoken by Jesus.

Revelation 21: 5-8; Then the one who sits on the throne said, “And now I make all things new!” He also said to me, “Write this, because these words are true and can be trusted.” And he said, “It is done! I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. To anyone who is thirsty I will give the right to drink from the spring of the water of life without paying for it. Those who win the victory will receive this from me: I will be their God, and they will be my children.

But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and 'ALL LIARS' — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

These are the words spoken by John, the beloved nephew and disciple of Jesus.

Now, because you don't believe the words of the Lord, you might wish to change all the HIS. HIM, and HE. to hers, her and her, and change all the words, SON, to daughter.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Wed 15 Dec, 2021 12:54 am
@The Anointed,
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Matthew 25: 31-34; 41
These are the words spoken by Jesus.


This is the only relevant one of these. And yes, indeed, I do wonder if I've done all that much personally to help the struggling, the outcast, and desperate.

But you've also missed the main point of this passage. Well, twice actually, because you left out the parts about what makes the king say that. And again because you missed the entire context of previous verses. So we're gonna quote the passage in its whole context, and see if you can see the problem here. Keep in mind that this is after Jesus spoke about the fall of the temple.

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25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.


14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


Still confused? It's like this. Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees, who he repeatedly tells are hypocrites, whitewashed tombs, who love to be greeted in the marketplace, and who give large donations which matter little to them to hear the clank of the coins.

Remember that passage? We modern Christians get out of that, that it's admirable of how unselfish the old widow was for giving her coin. But Jesus was really talking against the system where poor widows get duped into giving up their last dime to a temple who won't care for them. He did think her action was admirable, but it was also tragic and disgusting, especially since the system would never help her.

Many Bible versions put dividers in these parables, but they are actually all one parable. The Pharisees see God as an unjust master, who metes out brutal and violent judgements against people who fail in some way. Not being ready enough, not being willing to take a risk because the cost was all they had (the widow's mite), and finally not dealing with justice to all the poor and suffering in the world. I one time tore away a page of the Bible to give to someone by mail. This page. In response to their apparent lack of mercy.
Since then I've repented of it. If she showed it to me today, I'd ask her to send it back to me. Why? Because this entire section is about a distorted view of God supposed by hypocrites. There's something you oughta check out in the Bible. Jesus never told the Pharisees about grace, and he never spoke to those called sinners about Judgement. He didn't say to any Roman centurions that God was going to judge them (even though he was cynical about taxes), he didn't say that to tax collectors, and he didn't tell any lepers that their skin was a punishment from God. To those who felt miserable, he gave comfort. To those who felt righteous, he told them about their own coldness and judgement.

This is not about what you do, though there is certainly merit to helping the poor. If it were about giving enough, the poor could themselves be guilt tripped into giving to those they thought needed it more! It about the sort of God that you believe God is. Remember the lesson of taking God's name in vain. This was what the Pharisees were doing! They had invented an idea of God that is a harsh master who punishes those who don't give their share. They misrepresented what God is about. God is just, yes, but ultimately he has mercy.

You are correct, it is easy to become confused, when you take passages out of context.

Which is a greater sin? To claim Jesus wasn't the Son of God until arbitrary circumstances? Or to claim that Jesus might have been a different pronoun?

One of these requires that you disbelieve in virgin birth, disbelieve in most of the nativity, disbelieve that Jesus said his father was in the temple, and a number of others.

The other does not. If God were as petty as to punish me eternally for misgendering Jesus,
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then wouldn't that go double for the chain of reasoning required to come to your conclusions? But I do not believe God will judge you for your adoptionism heresy any more than he'll punish me. If I'm wrong, we're probably both punished.
The Anointed
 
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Wed 15 Dec, 2021 03:15 am
@bulmabriefs144,
You ramble on and on saying nothing.

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If God were as petty as to punish me eternally for misgendering Jesus,/quote]

God punishes no one eternally. When all humanity is incinerated at the close of the thousand year rule of Jesus, the minds=spirits of all mankind, which survive the first death, which is the death of the body in which they the living minds had developed, will stand before the judgement seat of the Lord, and to the unrepentant, who have twisted and distorted his words and turned those searchers of the truth away from the words of the lord, with their lying false teachings, he will say to them; "Away from me, you cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, 'AND ALL LIARS' away to the eternal fire which is the second death.

The death of the distorted minds. No eternal punishment, but eternal and never ending death, which is the eternal punishment, that all unrepentant sinners can look forward to.

When you say that the Lord is going to punish the sinners eternally, you are accusing him of being a cruel and despicable God, of who I would have no part with.

It's people like you who turn the searchers away from the words of the Lord.
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Leadfoot
 
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Wed 15 Dec, 2021 07:17 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

I’ve had a long time fascination with this parable. So many potential contradictions with other scriptures and Biblical principles, but there it is, right from the horses' mouth.

I think the key is what the metaphor of 'bag/talent of gold' refers to.

What do you think it is? @Anyone
bulmabriefs144
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2021 12:59 am
@Leadfoot,
The common idea of Americans is that this is either about prosperity gospel, or about spending one's talents wisely, making the most of our time on Earth.

Then I read the traditional Jewish interpretation. To Jews of Jesus's time, this masters actions would have left an extremely bad taste in their mouths. Unlike Americans, who think this is about being more like the man who had five talents (in fact, most priests only read it this way), the Jews point out that this master, whoever he is, is not to resemble God as Jews should understand him. First, off he is unjustly demanding 100% profit and total risk from all ofhis employees. The man is right, he's a harsh man who reaps where he does not sow. He tells Jews to get interest (btw, this is unlawful), and then proceeds to rob from a man who has little. Even today, this act seems ghastly.

Either it is saying that the real God is able to break with your traditions, and do things you consider outrageous. Or this is clearly saying that this master is only someone who people from a position of affluence (I read up on the Pharisees, they were basically nouveau riche who had time to study the Torah) see as God. This is God as seen by heart-hardened, cruel, and judgemental assholes.

There's another point that is made here. Thisgold bag/talent represents nothing. It's worth nothing. While Jesus says "what little you have will be taken away, remember the guy got a talent in the first place from the master. In other words, he is actually no better or worse than when he started. This is a lesson not to waste our talents on money in the first place, but to worth for what we love. God expects that we live our lives and live them more abundantly. Thid doesn't mean hedonism or prosperity gospel, neither is it a life of constant sacrifice. Don't waste you talents.

There's one last point here. As well as being a religion type, I'm a history major. Reading through the gospels, I put together a short history of the events in the Gospel. More than anything, this is a very sad commentary on pay-to-win religion. The wealthy can afford the sacrifices, even paying for a freaking heifer for sacrifice to forgive huge sins. But the poor are like the one with one talent. They cannot afford to take off work to travel to the temple. They cannot afford the sacrifice in the first place, so they live in fear that God hasnot forgiven them. Meanwhile, the leaders get their sins paid off, and then become priests, where they profit from people's faith. They avoid tax collectors, but they basically are tax collectors. Jesus is pointing out the master. Yes, we could see this as a sermon about those who profit, but this doesn't match up with what we know about thhis says about the periosd.
The Anointed
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2021 06:20 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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I'm a history major. Reading through the gospels, I put together a short history of the events in the Gospel.


Please reveal, where in the Gospels it is revealed that Jesus was born a female and was not the SON of God, but the daughter of God?

Are the Pharisees the heart-hardened, cruel, and judgemental assholes, that you have 'JUDGED' them to be?

You do know that Simon with the dreaded skin disease was a Pharisee, and is one and the same person as Lazarus (Which name mean 'TERMINAL' or without hope.) a dear friend of Jesus, and that Nicodemus and Joseph from Arimathea, who took the body of Jesus down from the cross and buried it in Joseph's family tomb that had never been used, were also Pharisees, and how many other Pharisees come under your judgement as being "JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLES?

bulmabriefs144
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2021 09:45 pm
@The Anointed,
I will. I might even recant. After you reveal where it says it matters.

Find one part of the Bible where it insists Jesus must be male. In fact, even Desiring God, a mainline Christian website (not fringy like this one: https://jdstone.org/cr/files/genetics-proves-that-jesus-was-a-woman.html ), who later even says that Jesus was not a woman, still insists God was not Male either.

They very much mention that God as a spirit, should not be mentioned as though male, even though we classically refer to God as He. Let's start with that. If God is a spirit, we have ruled out both male and female gender. How then could someone without gender father a male child? Aside from taking a male form, which if true would make Jesus very much only the appearance of male (see Docetism below). So let's move on to Jesus.

So, tell me where it says it matters? Where does it say not "He" this or "He" that, but "any who believe that Jesus is not male shall be damned for all eternity." Nope, nope, and nope. It simply calls him a he. On the other hand...

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What Is Adoptionism?
Adoptionism is the heretical view that fails to understand Scripture’s teaching on the two natures of Jesus: His humanity and His divinity. In this view, Jesus was an ordinary human whom God adopted as His Son when He was baptized. At His baptism, God endowed Jesus with supernatural power by anointing Him with the Spirit because He managed to live a sinless life up to that point. After His earthly ministry, God resurrected Jesus and made Him part of the Godhead as a reward for His accomplishments and made Him Lord of the Church.
What Makes Adoptionism a Heresy?
Scripture clearly teaches Christ has always existed and has always been God. At no point in time did He ever become God. We will examine a few passages which reveal this truth.

I cited John 1, when you talked about this. I cited the virgin birth. I've mentioned pretty much every Gospel but Mark, which basically launches in with John the Baptist then "immediately" to the baptism. That's great and all, but Mark basically sells Jesus as someone who just kinda walked up from nowhere. Even his parents aren't mentioned here.

There are a number of heresies about Jesus.
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Adoptionism- Basically what you teach

Docetism- Jesus only seemed human, and wasn't really incarnate

Apollinarianism- Jesus did not have a human mind

Arianism- Jesus was a “creature” who was “begotten” of the Father. Only God the Father is “un-begotten”. In this view, only the Father is truly God; He was too pure and perfect to appear here on earth, so He created the Son as His first creation. (BTW, this is precisely why we have the Nicene Creed, to get rid of crappy heresies like this)

Nestorianism- This heresy taught Mary only gave birth to Jesus’ human nature. The founder of the heresy, Nestorius, did not even want Mary to be called “Mother of God” but instead wanted her to be called “Mother of Christ”. In essence, the heresy maintained Jesus was really two separate persons, and only the human Jesus was in Mary’s womb. If that was true, then Jesus was not God incarnate while in the womb.
(Actually, I also believe Mary shouldn't be called "Mother of God" but for an entirely different reason. To call her that is to raise her above God)

Eutychianism- This heresy taught Jesus’ humanity was absorbed by His divinity. The heresy is Monophysite in nature, derived from the Greek words “mono” (“one”) and “physis” (“nature”). In essence, the heresy claimed Jesus had only one nature (something new and different than the Divine or human nature that God and humans have, respectively). Instead, this heresy taught a third unique nature was possessed by Jesus; a blend or mixture of the human and the Divine.

Monothelitism - The name is derived from a Greek root that means “one will”. Monothelitism taught Jesus had two natures but only one will. Instead of having two cooperative wills (one Divine and one human), Jesus had one Divine-human “energia”.


Yet not one of these is about Jesus being female. I can only conclude that the church doesn't care. In fact, it is sometimes pointed out that in Revelation, Jesus has (an ancient term for a woman's breasts).
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Revelation 1:13- And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps (mastos) with a golden girdle.

Or that Jesus longs to take people of Israel, comparing himself to a hen. Moreover, it appears that in addition to the 12 disciples mentioned in his inner circle, his female disciples are largely scrubbed from the records. If the sexist writers can do this, why should we trust the gender of Jesus? Also, as I said in the other article, thirty pieces of silver is not the price of a man. 50 pieces is. Both the price given to David, and the price given to a father to pay for the crime of raping his daughter are 50. You give slaves and lower classes 30 pieces of silver. Those worth less than men. Women.
Leviticus 4:28. Leviticus 5:6. Both of these tell in no uncertain terms that the proper offering for the sins of people is a female lamb or goat. And I noted the offering you mentioned. It only refers to Passover. Not for the forgiveness of sins. Other passages prescribe a male lamb, but the context is a sacrifice for the priests (not the people).

No, they most definitely don't condemn this notion, even if Jesus is canonically male. They very definitely do care about these other notions though.
The Anointed
 
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Fri 17 Dec, 2021 06:33 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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Find one part of the Bible where it insists Jesus must be male.


God never refers to his only begotten child as a 'DAUGHTER', but ALWAYS as a "SON," and the Only begotten "SON" of God, never refers to his heavenly parent as 'MOTHER' but ALWAYS as 'HIS' "FATHER".

I could go on and on, but why waste my valuable time? If you had ever studied the bible, rather than listening to the rubbish that has filled your head, you would know that God and ‘HIS” only begotten SON, are both androgynous being, with more male cells than female cells, and are therefore males and not females. Just as our material universe is comprised of atoms of Matter and atoms of anti-matter, but because the matter atoms outnumber the anti-matter atoms, we do not live in an anti-matter universe, but a material universe.

You're not right in the head kiddo, the author of the link that you provided, was Richard Dawkins, a red-hot atheist and hater of any and all religious bodies who believe that a God or any gods exist and will do all in his power, in his futile attempt to prove them to be wrong. He even believes that the bible doesn't state that Jesus was born of the flesh by Joseph and his half-sister Mary, but that he was born of some supposed ever virgin, which is just one of the false fabricated teachings of the lying church of Emperor Constantine, the holy mother body, who sits on the seven hills of Rome. You're certainly thick son, as thick as a brick.

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So, tell me where it says it matters?


Matthew 7: 15-19; “Be on your guard against false prophets; they come to you looking like sheep on the outside, but on the inside they are really like wild wolves. You will know them by what they do. Thorn bushes do not bear grapes, and briars do not bear figs. A healthy tree bears good fruit, but a poor tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a poor tree cannot bear good fruit. And any tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire……. The Lake that burns with sulfur and fire, which is the Second death, is the place reserved for all False prophets.

Matthew 7:21-23; Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my ‘FATHER’ which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here in Jeremiah, the Lord is referring to people who say that they are speaking the words of the Lord, in other words they are claiming to be prophets of the Lord, which they are not: Jeremiah 23: 31-32; “I am also against those prophets who speak their own words and claim they came from me. Listen to what I, the LORD, say! I am against the prophets who tell their dreams that are full of lies. They tell these dreams and lead my people astray with their lies and their boasting. I did not send them or order them to go, and they are of no help at all to the people. I, the LORD, have spoken.”

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Scripture clearly teaches Christ has always existed and has always been God. At no point in time did He ever become God. We will examine a few passages which reveal this truth.


No mate, the Roman church of Emperor Constantine falsely teaches that their supposed ever virgin was no more than a physical factory in which their god created a human-like body for “HIS” eternal SON in which he walked the earth disguised as a human being, who later had that body killed, while he descended through time and preached the Good News to those who were disobedient while Noah was building the ark.

This was before ‘OUR’ heavenly ‘FATHER’ raised up that dead body and translated the physical non-human body, as ‘HIS’ eternal SON returned to ‘HIS” eternal heavenly home.

What a pity that your god has never been able to raise a descendant of Adam to eternal life.

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I cited John 1, when you talked about this. I cited the virgin birth. I've mentioned pretty much every Gospel but Mark, which basically launches in with John the Baptist then "immediately" to the baptism. That's great and all, but Mark basically sells Jesus as someone who just kinda walked up from nowhere. Even his parents aren't mentioned here.


Both John the beloved disciple of Jesus, and Mark, who is believed to be the son of Peter, ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being totally irrelevant to the salvation of mankind, and begin their account of God’s salvation, with the baptism of the man Jesus, when the spirit of the Lord descended upon ‘HIM’ in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my Son, ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee, as verified by the following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries who wrote, “This day I have begotten thee,” which is vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “THOU ART MY SON THIS DAY I H AVE BEGOTTEN THEE".

While Matthew, whose gospel was originally written in Hebrew used the Hebrew word “almah’ which in no way can be translated as virgin, and when his gospel was translated to the Greek, which language does not have a specific word for virgin, the translators were forced to use the Greek term ‘Parthenos’ which carries a basic meaning of ‘girl,’ or unmarried youth, and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication.

It was through a Greek speaking man that Gabriel, the angel of the Greeks and not Michael the angel of the Hebrews, spoke to the 13/14 year-old “parthenos” (Young unmarried woman) and told her that she would soon become pregnant and bear a son, who God would make a King, as his ancestor David (Of the seed of Adam) was.
So the Lord through his angel verifies, that her son would be genetically descended from King David of the seed of Adam, and that she, a Parthenos, was still a virgin at that time and had never had sexual contact with a man, but, when three months later she was found to be pregnant to her half brother Joseph the son of Heli, she was no longer a virgin.

Isaiah 7: 14; Jewish Translation: “Therefore the Lord, of his own, shall give you a sign; behold the ‘YOUNG WOMAN’ is with child, and she shall bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”

Isaiah 7: 14; Erroneous KJV Translation; “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold the ‘Virgin’ shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.”

“The Greek word parthenos (παρθένος) is ambiguous but the Hebrew term “Almah”[Unmarried Female] is absolute, and is erroneously translated from Isaiah 7: 14, to Greek in Matthew 1:23; as “virgin,” whereas according to Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, the Hebrew term “Almah,” carries the meaning, (Concealment---unmarried female.)”

In 1973, an ecumenical edition of RSV was approved by both Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, called the common bible. A New English Translation of the Bible, published in 1970 and approved by the council of churches in England, Scotland, Wales, the Irish council of churches, the London Society of Friends, and the Methodist and Presbyterian churches of England, all translate Isaiah 7: 14; “A young Woman is with child, and she will bear a son.”

Also The Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition, with imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon reads, Isaiah 7: 14; “A young woman who is pregnant will have a son, etc.”

An unmarried woman (An almah) can still be a virgin, if she has never had sexual intercourse with a man, but a pregnant unmarried woman (An almah) can in no way, still be a virgin.

As these religious bodies all now accept that Isaiah was not referring to a virgin in that famous passage, they must now accept that the authors of the Septuagint and the translators of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, who were forced to use the Greek term “Parthenos” in reference to Isaiah’s prophecy, were in no way implying that the pregnant Mary, was still a virgin.

Matthew 1: 22-23; should now read; ‘Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through the prophet [Isaiah],’ “An unmarried woman/Almah who is pregnant will bear a son and he will be called Immanuel: (“which means God is with us.”)

And the Lord God our saviour, who filled the man Jesus with ‘HIS’ spirit on the day that Jesus was baptised, was certainly with us, as ‘HE’ spoke to us and performed many miracles through his earthly servant and host body, the Man Jesus, who, according to Acts 3: 13, was given diving glory by the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of ‘OUR FATHER’ from where he invites all ‘HIS” Brethren who are able to win the victory as 'HE' has, to sit beside 'HIM' in 'HIS' heavenly throne.

While Luke reveals that Jesus was the son of Joseph the son of Alexander Helios III, also called Heli.

To be continued.

bulmabriefs144
 
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Fri 17 Dec, 2021 07:19 pm
@The Anointed,
Fair enough.

But how do you know they are not talking about you?

The false prophecy you preach is that Jesus was not born the Son of God, and that the Trinity is more or less not real, and that the Bible has been altered. That's really three things wrong there.

I have shown you repeatedly that it does not say this day or today or right now. John 1 says in no uncertain terms that Jesus has always been part of the Trinity.

The so-called prophecy that I preach is mainly for me. But you've been trying actively to talkme out of mine, and sell me on the merits of yours since we first met.
The Anointed
 
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Fri 17 Dec, 2021 08:38 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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The false prophecy you preach is that Jesus was not born the Son of God,


But I do preach that Jesus was born 'SON of God' on the day of his baptism. when he was not born of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of the spirit of the lord which descended upon him in the form of a dove, when he came up out of the baptismal waters of the Jordon, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my Son, ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.”

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I have shown you repeatedly that it does not say this day or today or right now.


And it has been shown that you are repeatedly wrong in quoting the Roman churches doctored and deliberately distorted verse in Luke 3: 22; rather than the original variant as written by Luke.

In Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”

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John 1 says in no uncertain terms that Jesus has always been part of the Trinity.


And where does it say that "JESUS" has always been part of the Trinity? You've been listening to the deceptive words of your mother who sits of the seven hills of Rome, Haven't you? If you think that the Logos God and the man Jesus are one and the same you are sadly mistaken kiddo.

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The so-called prophecy that I preach is mainly for me.


If that so-called prophecy that YOU PREACH, is mainly for yourself, then why do you bother to preach your biblically unsupported so-called prophecy, to all on this forum.

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But you've been trying actively to talk me out of mine, and sell me on the merits of yours since we first met.


You are correct in saying that I have been trying actively to talk YOU out of Preaching YOUR false so-called prophecy, which is offensive to the Lord, and asking you to repent of your foul and wicked lying slander against the Lord, and sell you on the merits of the words of salvation as spoken by the only Begotten SON of the FATHER, through his chosen earthly host body and temple, Jesus, who we once knew as a MAN, before he was given divine glory by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Now, back to your previous post which I have not yet finished responding to.

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There are a number of heresies about Jesus.


There certainly are, like your heretical statement that God is a female Mother and Jesus is ‘HER female ‘DAUGHTER’.

Then there are the other heretics, who want you to believe that Jesus was not born from the union of his parents, Mary and Joseph who were both sired by Heli of different mothers, but was somehow born miraculously of some supposed ever virgin mother, and where Luke states that Jesus is the son of Joseph the son of Heli a descendant of Nathan the adopted son of King David, they have added in Brackets that Jesus was the son (AS WAS SUPPOSED) of Joseph the son of Heli a descendant of Nathan, etc.

Luke 3:23; (KJV) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. The (AS WAS SUPPOSED) in brackets, was a later added corruption by those who would have you believe the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth.

In the different translations of the KJV into Arabic, Afrikaan, Zulu, etc and even some of the more modern English translations, such as the Good News Catholic Study Edition Bible and others, the words (As was supposed) have been retained, but the brackets are removed, thus by, making those words appear to be the declaration of Luke, while the serious biblical student know that they were not written by Luke, but were a later addition and a corruption of the Holy Scriptures, by those Christians, who refuse to accept that Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man, born of human parents, who was later CHOSEN by the Lord our saviour ‘The Son of Man,’ as his heir and successor.

If Jesus was not born of the flesh as all human beings are, but was born of a virgin without male semen having been introduced into her uterus, then this would have been the greatest of all miracles, and would have been shouted from the roof tops by all four gospel writers and yet we see that Mark and John ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being totally irrelevant to the story of salvation and begin their account of He who was sent in the name of the Lord, with the Baptism of the man Jesus, when he was born of the spirit that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my son,'THIS DAY' I have begotten thee.”

This verse; Luke 3:22; which now reads; “Thou art my beloved son in whom I am pleased,” was also changed by those who want you to believe that Jesus was not born of the flesh by two human parents and later, on the day of his baptism, born of the spirit of our Lord God and saviour, ‘The Son of MAN’ and the MOST HIGH in the creation, when the spirit of our Lord descended upon him in the form of a dove.

And we know that Matthew 1: 22; should now read; “Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through is prophet (ISAIAH) an unmarried woman who is pregnant will have a son, etc.

So there you go, Matthew reveals that God’s prophet said that an unmarried woman who is pregnant will bear as son, etc, Mark and John show no interest at all in the physical birth of the man Jesus, but begin their account of God’s salvation, when the man Jesus was born, ‘Son of God’, not by blood nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but by the spirit of the lord which descended upon him in the form of a dove as he came up out of the baptismal waters of the Jordon, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my Son, ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.”

And the deceivers such as bulmabriefs and his false teachers would have you believe that the man Jesus, was an eternal God and co-creator of the Cosmos.

To be continued.

The Anointed
 
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Fri 17 Dec, 2021 11:39 pm
@The Anointed,
Continued from previous post.

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In fact, it is sometimes pointed out that in Revelation, Jesus has (an ancient term for a woman's breasts)

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Yea, it is sometimes pointed out by 'SOME' Muslims, and the biblical ignorant and mentally unstable people who wish to undermine faith in the Bible and to discredit the words of the Lord, that the man Jesus had the breasts of a woman.

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Leviticus 4:28. Leviticus 5:6. Both of these tell in no uncertain terms that the proper offering for the sins of people is a female lamb or goat. And I noted the offering you mentioned. It only refers to Passover. Not for the forgiveness of sins.


Biblically ignorant and mentally unstable people might believe as you do, but this is what the words of the Lord says. 1 Corinthians 5:7; For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

In reference to the Passover sacrifice, Exodus 12: 5; you may choose either a sheep or a goat, but it ‘MUST’ be a one years old ‘MALE’ without any defects.

John the Baptist testifies about Jesus: John 1: 29; The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

And the fools say that the Passover Lamb was not the sacrifice to take away the ‘SINS’ of the world.

To be 100% human, you must be born of the seed of the first human.

Your spiritual mother tells you that Jesus was 100% human and 100% god.

I saw an animal the other day that was 100% Giraffe and 100% monkey, do you believe me?

Do you realise why the Pascal Lamb had to be a one-year or 365 day old unblemished lamb?

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bulmabriefs144
 
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Sat 18 Dec, 2021 02:11 am
@The Anointed,
Responding to this and the next post.

First, you're blaming the Romans for some supposed false teaching. Actually, it is entirely your hangup that you are non-Trinitarian and have rejected the Gospel, distorting it to say something it is not. The Romans actively worked with the Jews to suppress the teaching of the resurrection and divine nature of Jesus. If anything, the Bible was toned down to get it to fit better with the culture of the time. You see that literally discussed in the letters when they are talking about these feasts (that appear to be borderline orgies) and again when they talk against having female priests. In fact, if anything, I daresay part of the reason that Jesus is male in the Bible is that if he weren't referred to as such, we'd see women even more bold than they are today. The early Bible is very very patriarchal, but further reading reveals that there is a suppressed female nature of God.
Then you're blaming the Muslims for supposedly writing that in about Jesus's breasts. Sorry but the Muslims came 300 to 500 years after the oldest surviving translation of the Bible. The Muslims, like the Jews, actively were working to suppress the womanhood of their own deity (Allah actually comes from three moon goddesses known as Allat), so there is literally no way this macho cult would try to feminize Jesus. Nice try, though.

In fact, Muslim's take on Jesus is not the "love your enemies" type but a sort of violent asshole who was willing that someone else be put on the cross instead of him. If any change came about to the Bible because of Islam, it would be to make Jesus MORE masculine, not less.
 

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