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McCain is blowing his election chances.

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:21 am
maporsche wrote:
So....do Obama supporters want Obama to go negative now? Is that what I'm hearing?


Uh...no.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:26 am
snood wrote:
maporsche wrote:
So....do Obama supporters want Obama to go negative now? Is that what I'm hearing?


Uh...no.


what would be the consequences if he did?
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:31 am
JTT wrote:
real life wrote:
Great cartoon. I'll set it as my desktop background.


So that's how you memorize these really long memes. I knew there had to be a trick to it considering your lot's grasp of things. And here I thought it was just mindless droning.


That's one reason I could never be a liberal. They take themselves WAAAAY too seriously.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:31 am
maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
maporsche wrote:
So....do Obama supporters want Obama to go negative now? Is that what I'm hearing?


Uh...no.


what would be the consequences if he did?

He would win by a smaller margin?
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:38 am
real life wrote:
JTT wrote:
real life wrote:
Great cartoon. I'll set it as my desktop background.


So that's how you memorize these really long memes. I knew there had to be a trick to it considering your lot's grasp of things. And here I thought it was just mindless droning.


That's one reason I could never be a liberal. They take themselves WAAAAY too seriously.


That's funny, "real life". Self-righteous prig makes sweeping and ironic generalization. You're a funny guy.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:42 am
maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
maporsche wrote:
So....do Obama supporters want Obama to go negative now? Is that what I'm hearing?


Uh...no.


what would be the consequences if he did?


Obama reserves his negative comments for the voters, insinuating that they are racists , etc

---his grandmother uttering racial slurs was a 'typical white person'

---small town Americans are bitter and 'cling to their antipathy to people who aren't like them'
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:43 am
snood wrote:
real life wrote:
JTT wrote:
real life wrote:
Great cartoon. I'll set it as my desktop background.


So that's how you memorize these really long memes. I knew there had to be a trick to it considering your lot's grasp of things. And here I thought it was just mindless droning.


That's one reason I could never be a liberal. They take themselves WAAAAY too seriously.


That's funny, "real life". Self-righteous prig makes sweeping and ironic generalization. You're a funny guy.


You've done nothing to dispel the notion, I must say.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:44 am
...but no criticism for McArcane so clearly reneging on his "respectful campaign that never questions opponents' patriotism" from you stalwart keepers of the objectivity flame, eh?
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:46 am
real life wrote:
snood wrote:
real life wrote:
JTT wrote:
real life wrote:
Great cartoon. I'll set it as my desktop background.


So that's how you memorize these really long memes. I knew there had to be a trick to it considering your lot's grasp of things. And here I thought it was just mindless droning.


That's one reason I could never be a liberal. They take themselves WAAAAY too seriously.


That's funny, "real life". Self-righteous prig makes sweeping and ironic generalization. You're a funny guy.


You've done nothing to dispel the notion, I must say.


Like I or anyone ever could change your crusty closed mind.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 08:48 am
snood wrote:
...but no criticism for McArcane so clearly reneging on his "respectful campaign that never questions opponents' patriotism" from you stalwart keepers of the objectivity flame, eh?
If he made that claim, I think he should renege on it.

I think the patriotism of many on the left SHOULD be doubted, publicly and loudly

Quote:
The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.
"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid told journalists.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070419184534.ileoeb47&show_article=1

Harry Reid, leader of the Senate, is heavily invested in America's military defeat, advising us in effect to give up.


Quote:
"They both want to keep us tied to another country's civil war, a war we cannot win," she said. "That in a nutshell is the Bush/McCain Iraq policy. Don't learn from your mistakes, repeat them."


She said if elected she would convene military advisers and ask them to develop a plan to begin bringing U.S. troops home within 60 days of her taking office next January.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Hillary_cant_win_Iraq/2008/03/17/80999.html

Hillary Clinton, also heavily invested in defeat, laments that it costs too much to win and promises a swift pullout.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 09:42 am
real life wrote:
snood wrote:
...but no criticism for McArcane so clearly reneging on his "respectful campaign that never questions opponents' patriotism" from you stalwart keepers of the objectivity flame, eh?


If he made that claim, I think he should renege on it.

Well, don't you keep abreast of the issues. And such an honorable person you are, agreeing McCain should do exactly what would be expected of him as a conservative/Republican.


I think the patriotism of many on the left SHOULD be doubted, publicly and loudly

Isn't this a laugh! The left questions the lies, the corruption, the war crimes but real life provides active support for these and he has the nerve to question anyone's patriotism. AMAZING!

Quote:
The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.
"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid told journalists.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070419184534.ileoeb47&show_article=1

Harry Reid, leader of the Senate, is heavily invested in America's military defeat, advising us in effect to give up.



Quote:
"They both want to keep us tied to another country's civil war, a war we cannot win," she said. "That in a nutshell is the Bush/McCain Iraq policy. Don't learn from your mistakes, repeat them."


She said if elected she would convene military advisers and ask them to develop a plan to begin bringing U.S. troops home within 60 days of her taking office next January.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Hillary_cant_win_Iraq/2008/03/17/80999.html

Hillary Clinton, also heavily invested in defeat, laments that it costs too much to win and promises a swift pullout.


You were defeated before you started. You were unwelcome intruders who have savagely devastated a sovereign nation that was no threat to you or anyone. You continue to lie and support lies regarding this issue and most every issue you comment upon.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 10:34 am
mysteryman wrote:
I have never seen any Obama supporter admit that ANY analysis of his positions, that finds fault with his positions, is an objective report.
Have you? [..]

On the other hand, I can say the same thing about McCain supporters.


Yes, we all know that Obama supporters are viscerally unable to make, or even countenance, any criticism of the man or his positions. Whereas McCain supporters are always willing to acknowledge objective criticisms of their guy.

This, of course, explains why a thread that invited Obama supporters to explain which parts of his program or politics they disagree with, yielded 12 pages full of explanations by "Obamaites" of where they differed and disagreed with their candidate, while a similar thread for McCain supporters resulted mostly in ...

<crickets>
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:01 am
nimh wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have never seen any Obama supporter admit that ANY analysis of his positions, that finds fault with his positions, is an objective report.
Have you? [..]

On the other hand, I can say the same thing about McCain supporters.


Yes, we all know that Obama supporters are viscerally unable to make, or even countenance, any criticism of the man or his positions. Whereas McCain supporters are always willing to acknowledge objective criticisms of their guy.

This, of course, explains why a thread that invited Obama supporters to explain which parts of his program or politics they disagree with, yielded 12 pages full of explanations by "Obamaites" of where they differed and disagreed with their candidate, while a similar thread for McCain supporters resulted mostly in ...

<crickets>


oh come on Nimh, that's hardly fair. Any McCain thread rapidly devolves into some kind of insult match as too many opponents here can find nothing else to do but throw insults around or belittle whatever reasoning provided.

If I thought I could actually make positive posts about McCain without a page of replies about how wrong I was or how stupid I was for thinking such I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:23 am
McGentrix wrote:
oh come on Nimh, that's hardly fair. Any McCain thread rapidly devolves into some kind of insult match as too many opponents here can find nothing else to do but throw insults around or belittle whatever reasoning provided.

If I thought I could actually make positive posts about McCain without a page of replies about how wrong I was or how stupid I was for thinking such I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Well the point was about negative posts tho... criticism by Republicans of McCain vs criticism by Democrats of Obama... those two threads show that, since the closing of the ranks after the primaries at least, the Obamaites still seem plenty willing to criticize their own guy when asked, and the McCainiacs werent. (Your thread being an obvious exception.)

But no, I mean yeah, I totally get your point... fair enough. Maybe too much to ask to do some open and honest dissection of your candidate's flaws if there's a herd of opponents peering in ready to pounce. I get that.

But the "Obamaites explaining where Obama is wrong" thread does totally kick the ground out from underneath Mysteryman's assertions about how those Obama supporters, they just cant brook any criticism of their guy, they will just reject any criticism he gets and call it a partisan attack! I dunno, you have to maintain a pretty willfully selective perception to believe that. You see what you expect to see, I guess, and just blink the rest out.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:25 am
Agreed. You don't find too many McCain supporters who show up on a thread specifically to direct personal insults at Obama supporters. Actually.....thinking really hard here.....I can't think of any. (Yes any of us might make an uncomplimentary observation about Obama supporters in general, but that is not the same thing.)

And yes it is always easier to accept criticism of your guy from somebody who supports that guy. Certainly McCain supporters have been highly critical of him. McG was certainly not complimentary with the opening post on this thread.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:30 am
I think "some" would have been appropriate Nimh. I mean look at BBB's defense of Edwards... slam McCain because he did the same thing... 20 years ago...

Fox, I don't think that's true either. We have our share of idiots who claim to be McCain supporters who have nothing better to do then to slam their opponents.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:35 am
McGentrix wrote:
I think "some" would have been appropriate Nimh. I mean look at BBB's defense of Edwards... slam McCain because he did the same thing... 20 years ago...

Fox, I don't think that's true either. We have our share of idiots who claim to be McCain supporters who have nothing better to do then to slam their opponents.


Yes, we have some on 'our side'--meaning probable supporters of our candidate--who make me cringe and/or who make generalities amounting to nothing more than schoolyard taunts. But I don't think many, if any, are guilty of showing up specifically to personally attack somebody who is taking an opposing point of view.

Perhaps my impression is too biased to be accurate. But I honestly don't think it is on that point.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 09:23 pm
JTT wrote:

You were defeated before you started. You were unwelcome intruders who have savagely devastated a sovereign nation that was no threat to you or anyone. You continue to lie and support lies regarding this issue ......


This old mantra regarding the Gulf War is really wearing thin.

Saddam harbored and financed terrorists , repeatedly and flagrantly violated the terms of the ceasefire that he had agreed to and he retained elements of the WMD programs that he said he didn't have with the intention of restarting them.

Saddam wanted Iran to think he already had WMDs so he set about to systematically deceive the intelligence services of the West.

Saddam lied, people died.

Unfortunately, you cannot seem to hold Saddam accountable for anything. He doesn't even merit a mention from you.

Where is the outrage for the political enemies who, while living, were run thru the plastic shredder?

Where is the outrage for the mass graves?

Where is the outrage for his financing of terrorists?

Where is the outrage for his plundering of the oil-for-food program to enrich himself and leave his citizens without?

The Iraqi people are glad to be rid of Saddam, but apparently you feel that they would be better off if he were still in power.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 09:25 pm
real wrote: Saddam lied, people died.



Bush lied, over 100,000 innocent Iraqis died.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2008 01:50 pm
Real life


The Iraqi people are glad to be rid of Saddam= Yes yes yes billion times I can say yes.

Now my question is this.
The criminals who had created, supported are worse than Sadam.
Sadam had a tacit support of those criminals who are not yet tortured or humiliated- let along not hanged for their war crimes.
You got my point and understand the word criminals?
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