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Satire : Muslim Barack with Gun-Slinging Michele Obama

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 06:39 am
Diest TKO wrote:
I was honestly surprised that the irony had to be explained. I picked up on the punchline immediately.


Good for you, but the Obama's didn't get it.
Maybe you could call them and 'splain it to them nice and slow.
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Diest TKO
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:00 am
The failure isn't on Obama. The challenge in any satire is to convey a message in exaggeration to a general audience. The failure in this case is on the artist (which he admits) and the publication (which they don't admit, but I can see how the product can sometimes get lost when the punchline is created before the drawing).

I've never said the Obamas need to feel different about this.

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revel
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:13 am
The guy might of meant it to be satire against those who are going on about Obama being an alleged Muslim, but number one it only served to be used by folks like Miller and second (she is the author of this thread which only proves the case in point.), it was just offensive in general to Muslims as well because it portrays them all as gun toting terrorist. Not all Muslims are pro-terrorist just like not all southerners are red-necked gun totting White supremist. It was simply in bad taste, I don't think it was necessarily racist against African Americans but it backfired in its intended message and painted a stereotype against all moderate Muslims combined.
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cjhsa
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:15 am
I am a "bitter" gun owner, and I vote....
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revel
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:16 am
cjhsa wrote:
I am a "bitter" gun owner, and I vote....


lord help us all.
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Gala
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:16 am
Diest TKO wrote:
I'm just saying. I don't think I'm unique in this way. I was honestly surprised that the irony had to be explained. I picked up on the punchline immediately.

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I'm not surprised the cover would have to be explained. Regardless of how tolerant and enlightened the people who publish The New Yorker are, they are a smug and elite bunch.

I think the issue of the divide and the damage where race in America is concerned still does not get the proper depth of consideration, even with Obama as the nominee. This stuff runs deep-- and to have some successful, white illustrator paint what he imagines to be a clever picture to the most cleverest of us will "get" goes to show just how removed the white folk are.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 07:28 am
Maybe the artwork should have depicted the Obama's sharing a BLT with extra bacon...
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Lash
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:13 am
Gala wrote:
Lash wrote:
Gala--

What exactly is wrong with the portrayals from a racial viewpoint?


Race in America...where to begin. Oh, perhaps slavery's a good place, or maybe lynching.

Gala---

You are avoiding the question. What specifically about that picture is a racial insult to Obama or his wife. I think you are having a hard time finding something, like I did when I decided to really analyze it.

If you can find something specific in that cartoon that is racist, I'd be interested to hear what it is and why it's racist.
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Lash
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:16 am
Diest TKO wrote:
I'm just saying. I don't think I'm unique in this way. I was honestly surprised that the irony had to be explained. I picked up on the punchline immediately.

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I think most everyone knew the NYer wasn't suggesting the cartoon represented Obama and wife, but the first blush look is incendiary--and you also have to wonder (even if it was meant to lampoon ridiculous notions) if it could still hurt him. Seems very careless considering the novelty of this election cycle...but I have to admit, everyone should have the same treatment... which means this is fair game.
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nimh
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:34 am
Gala wrote:
Odd man? I think you flatter yourself. We get the satire, at least in this forum. The general public is another issue.

Two answers to the point you've been making, Gala (or at least one of the points); one of mine on another forum, one of someone else who wrote some things better than I could:

nimh wrote:
This seems to be a common assumption among those who attack the cartoon. Basically, the New Yorker should have realised that although its own readers will surely recognize the absurdity of the attacks that are being depicted and recognize the cartoon as satire, there are many non-readers outside who won't -- and so the New Yorker should have censored itself, so that those people out there who wont get the satire wont take the cartoon the wrong way.

Question: if the New Yorker happily doesnt dumb down its articles to fit the levels of comprehension of non-readers, why should it be expected to dumb down its cartoons? Seriously: is it really the responsibility of the New Yorker to make sure even the biggest knucklehead out there wont take its covers the wrong way?

Moreover, letting the possible responses by the most ignorant knuckleheads prescribe what we will or wont draw, write or publish, doesnt that come down to letting them take our discourse hostage? (And I mean, to really believe that the Obamas are bin Laden-worshipping, America-hating Muslim radicals, you have to be a real knucklehead. We're talking about the most ignorant, say, 5% of Americans here; a poll last week said 10% thought he was Muslim, so let's say half of them believe he is actually some kind of covert Jihadist.)

The cover is satire; you realised that as soon as you saw it, I knew it, everyone halfway intelligent knew it; definitely anyone who'd buy or read the New Yorker. But somehow it's the New Yorker's responsibility to act like we wouldn't, and put on a big fat disclaimer making clear what's obvious to most people anyway, that it's satire, just so even a Limbaugh nut will understand? You know, because one of 'em might glance over the cover at the gas station and take it the wrong way? Is this the political version of the liability disclaimers on paper coffee cups saying, caution hot?

Can we please just not let the expected responses of the worst of the knuckleheads, the 5% most ignorant or bigoted Americans, determine what we will or won't dare to say in public?


Lisa Simeone, on Cogitamusblog wrote:
This reminds me of the arguments -- plentiful -- against THE WIRE: People both in Baltimore and out claiming that the series had the potential to hurt this, that, or the other person or cause because not everyone who watched it would "get" it.

My answer: too bad. It's not the fault of the writers and producers of THE WIRE that some people might not get it.

First of all, the New Yorker's audience is precisely the audience that gets satire. That's the point. The New Yorker isn't playing to Peoria, to use a handy bit of argot that will surely offend somebody somewhere; it's playing to the elite (another impolitic term), to the intelligentsia (bis). It is not the New Yorker's responsibility to determine or anticipate the reaction of every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there. It's their responsibility to publish the best magazine they can, using the best talent they can, to get across the points they want. If some people don't get the points, or take the points the wrong way, then so be it.

It's really distressing to hear the Left so often fall into this role of wanting to protect the great unwashed, trying to shield them from the difficulties or thorniness of life as exemplified in, for example, this kind of satire. Strikes me as condescending. If we're supposedly all about equal access and free expression and fairness and openness, then why not let such actions stand on their own merits and let people argue about what they mean, even if that means some people miss the point? That's what we're doing here. And that's what people all over the country can do. And might. Though I think it more likely that most people will never see this cover, never hear about it, and never give a **** one way or another. [..]
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Gala
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:48 am
Lash wrote:
Gala---

You are avoiding the question. What specifically about that picture is a racial insult to Obama or his wife. I think you are having a hard time finding something, like I did when I decided to really analyze it.

If you can find something specific in that cartoon that is racist, I'd be interested to hear what it is and why it's racist.


I say, why would The New Yorker even bother to go there. It's because it's about race and angry people and what do most people associate with black people: Anger, violence, etc.

G. Bush as a dunce, B. Clinton as the philanderer, Al Gore with his air-brushed shlong...but Michelle Obama = angry black woman.

I believe in free speech all the way, but publishing this cartoon exhibits poor choices among an elite few who thinks they're in with Obama.
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nimh
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:07 am
Gala wrote:
I say, why would The New Yorker even bother to go there. It's because it's about race and angry people and what do most people associate with black people: Anger, violence, etc.

I would have said there's a much more obvious explanation. The cartoon is lampooning the over the top absurdities of how rightwing nuts are portraying the Obamas. Rightwing nuts are portraying Barack as secretly a Muslim; so, in the cartoon, he's got bin Laden on the wall. Rightwing nuts are portraying Michelle as a bitter, angry black radical; so, the cartoon includes that too, in exaggerated fashion. Quite straightforward really.

Or are you proposing that, in order to avoid offense, the New Yorker should have censored the racially offensive parts out of the wingnuttery that they were parodying? Wouldnt that have kind of nullified the whole point of it? I mean, it's hard to parody the ignorance and bigotry of something if you're going to self-censor yourself from, you know, showing the ignorance and bigotry in question.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:19 am
This wingnuttery cut's both ways, because leftwing nuts see the Obama's as closet Muslims.
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cjhsa
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:21 am
revel wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I am a "bitter" gun owner, and I vote....


lord help us all.


You obviously choose to selectively hear what Obama says. He was the one who uttered the "bitter gun owner" bit while visiting Commiefornia.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:51 am
Cartoonists Not Fond of Obama Art on 'New Yorker' Cover
Cartoonists Not Fond of Obama Art on 'New Yorker' Cover
By Dave Astor
Published: July 14, 2008

Barry Blitt's satirical July 21 New Yorker magazine cover showing a Muslim Barack Obama and a gun-toting Michelle Obama is not getting rave reviews from other artists contacted by E&P.

Association of American Editorial Cartoonists President (AAEC) Nick Anderson said he understood what Blitt was trying to do (show how the Obamas are perceived by some people, not as they really are). But he noted that the cartoon was done "clumsily."

The Houston Chronicle/Washington Post Writers Group (WPWG) creator added that it would have helped if the cover art had a title such as "The Politics of Fear," or showed enemies of Obama painting or imagining the picture.

AAEC President-Elect Ted Rall said "everyone with two brain cells to rub together gets" Blitt's cartoon, but the drawing is "shallow and non-contextual."

"If The New Yorker wants to get into the political cartoon business, it ought to hire some political cartoonists," added Rall. "Until they hire some smart editors, The New Yorker ought to stick to what they do well: gag panels about Upper East Siders at cocktail parties."

The Universal Press Syndicate cartoonist also criticized the "dull, Taliban-like humorlessness" of the Obama and McCain campaigns, which both decried Blitt's cover. "Will the two candidates ban sarcasm if they win?," quipped Rall, who's also acquisition and development editor at United Media.

Philadelphia Daily News/WPWG editorial cartoonist Signe Wilkinson's first reaction to E&P's query was: "If you're spending time on this, it must be summer!" Then Wilkinson, who also does the "Family Tree" comic for United, added: "After the obligatory 'tasteless and offensive' huffing and puffing, Obama strategist David Axelrod said they weren't going to be spending a lot of time on it. I would recommend that the rest of the media do as David Axelrod does. It's satire."

Ann Telnaes, whose work includes animated political cartoons for WashingtonPost.com, said: "I think people need to get a grip. The cover was meant to be a satirical comment on the rumors about Obama's religion and so-called lack of patriotism."

She added that there are more important things to get outraged about. "Just this morning I read a Wall Street Journal article about the Dutch cartoonist who was jailed and his computer and sketchbooks confiscated because his work was considered offensive by the government," Telnaes noted by way of example.

Scott Stantis -- who does editorial cartoons for The Birmingham (Ala.) News and Creators News Service, and the "Prickly City" comic for Universal -- said The New Yorker is "usually pitch-perfect in its use of satire for its often-provocative covers." Among those "perfect" covers, he recalled, was the famous one showing an Hasidic man and African-American woman kissing in a way that imagined the healing of the rift between the New York communities those two people represented.

But Stantis added that the current cover "struck me as remarkably tin-eared. While I understand they're trying to portray the Obamas as their more strident opponents would have them seen, I take the opposite view away. Maybe it's not over-the-top enough? Or perhaps the anti-Obama forces have been too good and this is, indeed, how they are portrayed in the popular mind. Either way, this piece of art did not work for me on any level."

Mike Smith, whose Las Vegas Sun editorial cartoons and "Stockcar Toons" comic are distributed by King Features Syndicate, asked: "What's the point of being provocative if you're not communicating clearly? The intended message in this art is lost because the execution of the message allows for different interpretations."

Ron Rogers of the South Bend (Ind.) Tribune said he understands that The New Yorker art is "caricature -- an exaggeration of the rumors surrounding Barack and Michelle Obama. But knowing the inflammatory atmosphere in this campaign, I think they went over the line. I think more thought should have been put into the presentation of the artwork and its impact."

In an E&P story posted earlier today, "Tom the Dancing Bug" cartoonist Ruben Bolling of Universal said "more indicators should have been utilized in the cartoon in order to make the target of its satire clearer."
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Dave Astor ([email protected]) is a senior editor at E&P.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:04 am
After watching and listening to Obama's speech I think the magazine cover depicts the Obama's realistically.
The Obama's want to level the playing field with the rest of the world by bankrupting this country
from within, making the US a 3rd world country burning the flag for heat and carrying AK47s.
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cjhsa
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:18 am
Who ISN'T carrying an AK-47 these days? LOL!
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:22 am
cjhsa wrote:
Who ISN'T carrying an AK-47 these days? LOL!


True - I shot mine yesterday Cool



My point is that Obama's plan will make the AK47 the only rifle our military will be able to afford.
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nimh
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:39 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
After watching and listening to Obama's speech I think the magazine cover depicts the Obama's realistically.

And you would be the butt of the cover's joke, then... :wink:
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Foofie
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:40 am
This entire controversy could have been avoided with the proverbial caption to the cartoon. Perhaps, something like: "Strange how we received these costumes for the masquerade party. Who could have sent them?"

That would have eliminated anyone misconstruing the intent of the cartoon. And, only cartoons that have only one OBVIOUS interpretation do not have captions, in my opinion. Now the New Yorker is known for decades of cartoons that its readership enjoys. Therefore, I personally would have expected a cartoon with a caption, since otherwise the cartoon could be considered somewhat confusing as to its intent, regardless of the sophistication of its readership.

Just my non-sophisiticated type of opinion.
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