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Best Presidential Candidate for the job ??

 
 
H2O MAN
 
Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:15 am
Who is the best Presidential candidate to protect this country
and our allies against Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism ??
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:19 am
One suspects the question is structured to elicit the answer you want to hear, or to provide you with a basis for argument and ridicule if you don't hear the answer you expect.

Upon what basis is it reasonable to describe muslim fundamentalists as fascists? Do you actually know what fascist means, or are you simply puking up the propaganda du jour of the right? Do you consider the threat of muslim terrorists to be the most important matter with which the next president must deal? If so, why do you expect others to agree with you?

Do you intend to suggest that no other criterion would be valid for the voter?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:27 am
Setanta wrote:
[size=7]One suspects the question is structured to elicit the answer you want to hear, or to provide you with a basis for argument and ridicule if you don't hear the answer you expect.

Upon what basis is it reasonable to describe muslim fundamentalists as fascists? Do you actually know what fascist means, or are you simply puking up the propaganda du jour of the right? Do you consider the threat of muslim terrorists to be the most important matter with which the next president must deal? If so, why do you expect others to agree with you?

Do you intend to suggest that no other criterion would be valid for the voter?[/size]


It's a simple question with three, possibly 4 answers.

Keep your puking to yourself.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:32 am
No, it's a loaded question. To answer it without comment obliges the respondent to inferentially acknowledge that there are such things as muslim fascists. To answer the question without comment obliges the respondent to inferentially acknowledge that the threat of terrorism is the only criterion for choosing the next president. If you don't want to hear about puking, then don't puke up brain-dead rightwingnut propaganda.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:34 am
Setanta wrote:
No, it's a loaded question.


No, it's a simple question:
Who is the best Presidential candidate to protect this country
and our allies against Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism ??

Please keep your brain-dead Liberal puking to yourself.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:38 am
Hmmm...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:39 am
No, it's a loaded question, because it assumes that there is such a thing as a muslim fascist, and it assumes that a putative ability to "protect" us from muslim terrorists is the sole criterion for determining who is best for the job.

Don't puke up rightwingnut propaganda, and i'll stop talking about how you puke up rightwingnut propaganda.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:43 am
Quit puking on my poll :wink:

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Setanta wrote:
No, it's a loaded question, because it assumes that there is such a thing as a muslim fascist, and it assumes that a putative ability to "protect" us from muslim terrorists is the sole criterion for determining who is best for the job.

Don't puke up rightwingnut propaganda, and i'll stop talking about how you puke up rightwingnut propaganda.


In your closed world Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism does not exist... how nice for you.
Maybe folks that live in fantasy worlds should not be allowed to vote or participate in simple polls.


The question is:

Who is the best Presidential candidate to protect this country
and our allies against Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism ??
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:46 am
What was the question again?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:49 am
kickycan wrote:
What was the question again?


Islamic fascist what???
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:53 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
In your closed world Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism does not exist... how nice for you.


This is a lie, and therefore, you are a liar.

I certainly have no good reason to believe that any such thing as a "muslim fascist" exists.

I have not the least doubt that muslim terrorists exist.

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The question is:

Who is the best Presidential candidate to protect this country
and our allies against Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism ??


And it's a loaded question, because it assumes that there is such a thing as a muslim fascist, and it assumes that the best candidate for the job can be determined by the sole criterion of who allegedly can best protect us from terrorists. Have you already forgotten the title which you gave to this thread?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 08:57 am
I dont think waterman realizes that Fascism and Muslim fundamentalism cannot coexist.
They are two different philosophies, with to many differences.

It would be like saying, and I know this is an extreme, democratic dictatorship.
And I dont mean the dem party, I mean dictatorship combined with the US system of voting for our leaders.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:03 am
Thank you, MM, for that honest reiteration of the point i was making. It is foolish to stereotype one's enemies, such as muslim terrorists, and a serious mistake, because the best way to defeat an enemy is to know him thoroughly and without prejudice or preconceived notions.

It was mostly that to which i objected, but i also genuinely object to the notion that the only criterion for determining who is best for the job of President is how well he or she will allegedly perform in fighting terrorism.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:09 am
Islamofascism
mysteryman wrote:
I dont think waterman realizes that Fascism and Muslim fundamentalism cannot coexist.


Hmmm... I'm not saying those two coexist.
I mentioned Islamic fascist and Islamic terrorism ~ better known as Islamofascism.

Islamofascism does exist and I want to know what presidential
candidate is best suited to the job of fighting Islamofascism.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:12 am
Define "islamofascism," and then prove that it exists. You're just making **** up, and in the process, peddling rightwing propaganda.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:20 am
Setanta wrote:
Define "islamofascism," and then prove that it exists. You're just making **** up, and in the process, peddling rightwing propaganda.

Laughing your **** is weak!! Please keep your left-wing propaganda puke to yourself.

The term Islamofascism was first used in 1990 in Britain's Independent newspaper by Scottish writer Malise Ruthven,
who was writing about the way in which traditional Arab dictatorships used religious appeals in order to stay in power.

Islamic Fascism is really a modern phenomenon.
It is basically a 20th century totalitarian movement - like fascism and communism.
Islam existed before Islamic Fascism, and will exist after it.

Islamic Fascism is designed - like fascism and communism - to appeal to idealistic young people
with a utopian future where the world will be "cleansed".
It really started with the Iranian revolution in 1979, and used to be called "Islamic fundamentalism".
Other names for it are "Islamofascism" or "Islamism".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:26 am
In other words, you have no conception of what fascism is, nor do you understand the ideological basis of the few, true islamic states in the world.

So you just puke up someone else's bullshit propaganda.

Congratulations--free thinkers like you will save the world.


My ass . . .
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:28 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
The term Islamofascism was first used in 1990 in Britain's Independent newspaper by Scottish writer Malise Ruthven,
who was writing about the way in which traditional Arab dictatorships used religious appeals in order to stay in power.

Islamic Fascism is really a modern phenomenon.
It is basically a 20th century totalitarian movement - like fascism and communism.
Islam existed before Islamic Fascism, and will exist after it.

Islamic Fascism is designed - like fascism and communism - to appeal to idealistic young people
with a utopian future where the world will be "cleansed".
It really started with the Iranian revolution in 1979, and used to be called "Islamic fundamentalism".
Other names for it are "Islamofascism" or "Islamism".


Oh, I get it. It's kinda like the Catholic church, only with killing instead of child f*cking, and a much lower probability of f*cking up our country.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:29 am
Islamofascist Catholic pedophile buttf*ckers?
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:45 am
H2O,

"Islamofascist" is a term of art, and it makes no sense in a world where the term "fascist" has a very clear and specific meaning. So far as I can tell none of the Islamic States meet the academic definition of "fascism". What is promoted by the Radical Islamic Movement is despotic Theocracy.

This is a tempest in a teacup. Setanta IS pedantic, but he's also right. That can be frustrating at times, but right is right. I suggest that you adopt terms that are less vulnerable.

I tend to like, "Radical Islamic Movement, or RIM". Not all Islamic States are despotic Theocracies, though the potential exists for that. There are national governments that aren't "Islamic States", but the population is overwhelmingly Muslim. Some nations have populations that are far more radical than their governments, even when the government claims to be the "Guardian of Islam". In large measure Islamic Terrorists are not "controlled" by any sovereign state, though they may be given sanctuary, logistics, funding, and encouragement secretly. Terrorist groups claim to be independent of any worldly state because their allegiance is to a higher power, to Islam as it was practiced in the 7th cna 8th centuries.

RIM can exist anywhere, and may consist of a vast far-reaching army of disciplined "soldiers" who recruit and direct operations in the field. Or, the RIM might consist of a few pimply teenage boys who decide to blow-up a shopping mall in the name of ideological Islamic purity and as a rebellion against their parents. Our government and military are engaged in fighting the better trained, organized, funded, and equipped RIM organizations in Southern Asia... and winning, though some would deny it. Countering home-grown self-initiating cells is a much harder task, and the techniques required for protecting the public from them is much more questionable.
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