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What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?

 
 
Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 08:36 pm
Grown-up In Charge

by digby

John McCain is going to solve our economic problems by convening a meeting of the nation's accountants.

He also thinks that people should be forced to put bigger down payments on their houses, but he also that mortgage lenders should be like GM after 9/11 and give zero down payment loans.

Oh, and the banks don't trust each other and now they don't trust the people. Prices go down as well as up. He will not allow dogma to override common sense.

He explained all this to us as if we were five year olds.

If you liked having the idiot George W. Bush in charge during a national security crisis, you're going to love having the moron John McCain in charge during an economic crisis.


Update: Via Drum, Chuck Todd explains why McCain gets away with such things:

Even if he gets dinged on the experience stuff, "Oh, he says he's Mr. Experience. Doesn't he know the difference between this stuff?" He's got enough of that in the bank, at least with the media, that he can get away with it. I mean, the irony to this is had either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama misspoke like that, it'd have been on a running loop, and it would become a, a big problem for a couple of days for them.



Here's the thing. It's not just McCain. They let Reagan and Junior get away with it too. The media allow Republicans to speak nonsense to the public all the time and don't challenge them. Meanwhile Democrats are derided for being dishonest, boring eggheads who can't be trusted.

The Republican nominee just spoke in classic Bushian gibberish on the nation's most pressing issue and everyone will call it straight talk. This is a problem and it's bigger than St John.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 08:50 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Grown-up In Charge

by digby

John McCain is going to solve our economic problems by convening a meeting of the nation's accountants.

He also thinks that people should be forced to put bigger down payments on their houses, but he also that mortgage lenders should be like GM after 9/11 and give zero down payment loans.

Oh, and the banks don't trust each other and now they don't trust the people. Prices go down as well as up. He will not allow dogma to override common sense.

He explained all this to us as if we were five year olds.

If you liked having the idiot George W. Bush in charge during a national security crisis, you're going to love having the moron John McCain in charge during an economic crisis.


Update: Via Drum, Chuck Todd explains why McCain gets away with such things:

Even if he gets dinged on the experience stuff, "Oh, he says he's Mr. Experience. Doesn't he know the difference between this stuff?" He's got enough of that in the bank, at least with the media, that he can get away with it. I mean, the irony to this is had either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama misspoke like that, it'd have been on a running loop, and it would become a, a big problem for a couple of days for them.



Here's the thing. It's not just McCain. They let Reagan and Junior get away with it too. The media allow Republicans to speak nonsense to the public all the time and don't challenge them. Meanwhile Democrats are derided for being dishonest, boring eggheads who can't be trusted.

The Republican nominee just spoke in classic Bushian gibberish on the nation's most pressing issue and everyone will call it straight talk. This is a problem and it's bigger than St John.


Roxxxanne wrote:
That's what I hate about the threaded format. It doesn't mimic real conversation or communication at all. It is as if a group of people were having a discussion over dinner and one boor kept bringing up the same worn out topic, after it was made known that the topic is no longer something anyone talks about, the clown would STFU.

Here, any one boor can repeat the same worn out talking point ad infinitum and,one of us, not possessing the social power of a real life situation will bite.

After awhile, this begins to look like a cat chasing its tail. And that is what this discussion has devolved to. I don't know what can be done except to stop responding to what have now become trolls.


Perhaps taking your own advice? Nah, I doubt it.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 09:35 pm
You put up a thread promoting the absurd assumption that a madman http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files//2008/03/john_mccain.thumbnail.jpgwill be our next president and you expect ME to sit idly by?



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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 08:45 am
McCain and Big Tobacco

By: Christy Hardin Smith Wednesday March 26, 2008 7:20 am

Hmmmmm....wonder if the "McCain Lobbyist Express" ever gets cramped from all that effort to avoid discussing the many clients that line all those lobbyists' pockets while they are riding around the country with the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. Are we to believe that the subject never, ever comes up with all those lobbyists and former lobbyists hanging around, trading bon mots on political and professional conquests aplenty? Just too pure of heart to ever cross an ethical line, are they?

Well, I'm not buying it. Again. Via BostonGlobe:

McCain's longtime effort to crack down on tobacco is being put to a new test. Within weeks, the Senate is expected to vote on legislation to allow the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco. McCain agreed months ago to cosponsor the current bill with Senator Edward M. Kennedy, but McCain's policy adviser said the senator won't commit to voting for it until he sees the final legislation.

McCain has also dropped his support for increasing cigarette taxes. Last year, McCain voted against legislation that would have used a 61-cents-per-pack tax to expand a children's health program. He told a television reporter earlier this year that he would have a "no new taxes" policy as president.

McCain's decade of work on tobacco, one of the most significant efforts of his congressional career, has earned him enmity from the industry and from some fellow Republicans over the years. At the same time, public-health advocates have celebrated his support of tobacco regulation. But now, some antismoking activists are disappointed that the presumptive Republican nominee for president has backed off from the tobacco tax, which they consider key to improving public health....

The memo noted that among the Philip Morris representatives slated to attend a meeting with McCain was Charlie Black, who was a lobbyist for the tobacco company and is now McCain's senior campaign adviser.

In an interview, Black said McCain initially welcomed industry representatives to make their case in various ways and said the Arizona Republican wanted to strike a compromise that would satisfy the industry and public-health advocates....

Black said he didn't talk to McCain about tobacco legislation after that, although Philip Morris continued to aggressively target McCain in its campaign against the bill. Black stopped working for the company in 2001 and said he hasn't discussed any issues related to his clients with McCain while serving as the senator's senior adviser in the current campaign....

The issue could again become a focus of a presidential campaign - but because of McCain's opposition to taxing cigarettes, rather than his support for it. (emphasis mine)

What changed your mind, Sen. McCain? The public deserves full answers, because that's an abrupt shift from your past actions and words. Of course, McCain could just follow his own MO and not even bother to show up for his Senate work. Doesn't do away with questions, but does avoid having to give any immediate, definite answers on where he stands...and why.

How exactly does senior campaign advisor Charlie Black divorce his tobacco lobbyist insider knowledge from his political advisor campaign guru self when he discusses political advantages of various strategies and fundraising opportunities, anyway? Or, for that matter, every other lobbyist and former lobbyist on the McCain payroll or fundraising arm? How, exactly, can anyone argue with a straight face they are just in it out of the goodness of their little ole hearts and not hoping for anything else? Did we all learn nothing from watching the Abramoff mess unravel?

For more on Charlie Black, read here, here and here for starters...


--- Christy Hardin Smith
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 08:48 am
Before the outset of the attack on and occupation of Iraq, I posted an essay here by Anatol Lieven (then of the Carnegie Endowment for Peace) which proved to be one of the most prescient analyses of the principles involved in the push for war and what was to come as a consequence. That essay is here.

Now, in a piece written for the Financial Times published two days ago, Lieven writes:

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Why we should fear a McCain presidency
found here
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 08:54 am
"Bush's War"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 11:16 am


thx blatham ....
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 10:56 am


Excellent program. I recommend everyone, even the rabid ones in this forum who think they know everything, see this program in two parts.
PBS usually makes them available within a few days of showing on the network.

As for McCain, he is crazier than a junkyard dog.

JOHN McCAIN - He's more like Bush than you had imagined!

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3167446#3167446
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 02:37 pm
More evidence of how the 'surge' is succeeding like the dickens. Clearly, when everyone in the Green Zone has to stay in bunkers day and night, that means that we've got a winner of a strategy here.

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Memo to US Diplomats Under Fire in Iraq

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 27, 2008
Filed at 3:57 p.m. ET

The State Department on Thursday told U.S. diplomats in Baghdad to take shelter in reinforced structures amid continuing incoming insurgent rocket fire that has killed two American government workers this week.

The text of a memo sent to embassy staff containing the instruction follows.

SUBJECT: Transition of Operations and Sleeping Quarters to Hardened Structure

Due to the continuing threat of indirect fire in the International Zone, all personnel are advised to remain under hard cover at all times. Personnel should only move outside of hard cover for essential reasons. Essential outdoor movements should be sharply limited in duration. Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) is mandatory for all outside movements.

We strongly recommend personnel do not sleep in their trailers. Night workers should rest inside hardened structures during daylight hours. All personnel are welcome to sleep inside the Palace and at the New Embassy Compound. Limited supplies of cots continue to be available.

Day workers who operate outside or in unhardened structures should transition their work to hard cover locations. GSO (General Services Officer) will coordinate with affected sections to identify suitable locations.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Iraq-Embassy-Text.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Green Zone Target for Shiite Militias

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 27, 2008
Filed at 3:44 p.m. ET

BAGHDAD (AP) -- Warning sirens wail and within seconds rockets and mortars strike -- sometimes one or two, other times 10 or more.

The Green Zone is again a prime target as American and British diplomats, Iraqi politicians, contractors and others struggle to go about their business -- always aware that any time they are outside the most fortified buildings there is a chance to be injured or killed.

The danger has temporarily reshaped life: Green Zone traffic is minimal, few people venture out on the streets and security precautions -- always high -- have been boosted. Many diplomats and others prefer to bunk on cots in the stone and marble grandeur of the former Saddam Hussein palace that now holds U.S. Embassy offices...
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq-Ground-Zero.html

I'm expecting regular visits from Cheney and Bush who are steadfast and courageous men undaunted by a few Baathist deadenders.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 02:47 pm
We are nearly five years past the moment where George W. Bush declared "Mission Accomplished."
400,000 to 1.2 million Iraqis are dead by our decisions and actions. Over two million are internally displaced, and over two million Iraqis have fled the country.
5,000 Americans are dead (soldiers and contractors) as a result, 30–50,000 physically injured, and over 100,000 mentally disturbed, receiving or awaiting treatment.
Army and Marines are morally and physically bankrupt – and burdened by executive pressure for more forces in Afghanistan, Pakistan and trouble in Iran.
A trillion dollars has been spent, another trillion to be spent before we are finished – and if McCain has his way, we will never be finished, and we will bleed ourselves for the duration of the 21st century."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski200.html
The lady who had opined the above views is not Anti-American but a rational, decent, critical objective citizen of USA
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 02:49 pm
So, let me if I get this straight...

The government of Iraq, elected governement I might add, has told the various militias that they need to stand down and respect the national government. Naturally they take offense to that and decide to strike back. Iraqi defense forces, trained by America, retalliate and fight the militias. During this time, the Green Zone, home to the central government and American HQ, gets shelled by members of one militia or another (mostly from Sadr City which would point towrds Sadr's militia) and now that is evidence that the surge is a failure.

What kind of F'ed up logic is that Blatham? Do you think the Iraqi Gov't should allow the militia's to run their own area's? Would that be success in your opinion? Sems to me that the central Gov't taking control of the country is paramount to our leaving. Better to get it over with if you ask me. But, I guess it's best for the butterflies and roses of the liberal world take control and the flower children can put daisies in the militia rifles...
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 03:09 pm
Let us not stoop to this level.
"I ain't voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife."
I can kiss the feet of those who project civility in the A2K forum.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 03:42 pm
McGentrix wrote:
So, let me if I get this straight...

The government of Iraq, elected governement I might add, has told the various militias that they need to stand down and respect the national government. Naturally they take offense to that and decide to strike back. Iraqi defense forces, trained by America, retalliate and fight the militias. During this time, the Green Zone, home to the central government and American HQ, gets shelled by members of one militia or another (mostly from Sadr City which would point towrds Sadr's militia) and now that is evidence that the surge is a failure.

What kind of F'ed up logic is that Blatham? Do you think the Iraqi Gov't should allow the militia's to run their own area's? Would that be success in your opinion? Sems to me that the central Gov't taking control of the country is paramount to our leaving. Better to get it over with if you ask me. But, I guess it's best for the butterflies and roses of the liberal world take control and the flower children can put daisies in the militia rifles...


Find out what's really going on in Iraq, McG
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6557180531867852063&q=charlie+rose+iraq+Ali+Fadhil&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 03:46 pm
Better link at Greenwald...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/26/iraq_debate/index.html
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 04:31 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Let us not stoop to this level.
"I ain't voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife."
I can kiss the feet of those who project civility in the A2K forum.


that won't cost me any extra will it?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 04:40 pm
Bi-Polar
with high respect and due regard I beg to submit this.
My intention in this forum is not to score a point or two but to get the critical views and thereby to correct my views.
Vews are different.
I differ the views of my bleoved wife and my kith and kin.
We are here to exchange our views with much tolerance and little hypocracy.
Let me thank you
Rama
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 04:51 pm
Interesting interview here with Matt Welch, author of McCain, the Myth of a Maverick...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch2.html

If ya weren't already aware of how war-happy this fellow is, this will help you get up to speed.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:26 pm
Quote:
McCain Foreign Policy: Bush Doctrine Plus
War-as-Diplomacy a Long-held Approach for the GOP Nominee

By Spencer Ackerman 03/27/2008 | 2 Comments
Since he began running for president, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has embraced President George W. Bush's foreign policy. He has done so for a simple and understandable reason: it was McCain's policy first.

"I'd institute a policy that I call 'rogue state rollback,'" McCain said during a GOP primary debate in February 2000. "I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically elected governments." Though Bush himself would not embrace McCain's weltanshauung until after 9/11, this approach to global affairs would eventually become known as the Bush Doctrine.

Yet when McCain walked to the podium yesterday at the Los Angeles World Affairs Council to deliver his clearest speech yet outlining a McCain foreign policy -- a policy characterized by what could be endless wars -- the media almost uniformly declared it a break with Bush...
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/mccain-foreign
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:49 pm
The Surge (in violence) is Workinghttp://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/16507/thumbs/r-GREEN-ZONE-huge.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:57 pm
OMG! They are attacking the green zone! We have failed! FAILED! Rolling Eyes
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