Obama Exposed As Black

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

snood wrote:
Advocate wrote:
The right's sliming machine is up to full speed.

Just as the right painted John Kerry as an unpatriotic villain against deserter Bush in 2004, it uses Obama's virtues against him.

Obama delivers a message of reconciliation and forgiveness! Guy must be a hater! Goes to church for 20 years! What kind of Christian is that? Spends his career helping the poor and then runs for president on a message of unity and love for country? Dude clearly despises America!

Up is down, right is wrong, bad is good. Welcome to conservative heaven.

Two, two, two silly posts in one !

First of all, do you really believe that it was the GOP or conservatives who are responsible for the Pastor Disaster? Sean Hannity, among others, were talking about the Wright connection for months before it got traction. How did it get traction? ABC - that bastion of the right-wing media, digs up the dirty videos.

Secondly, who, right now, stands to benefit most from debunking the Obama mythos? John McCain or Hillary Clinton?

Thirdly, and finally, the issue here is not whether or not Obama has projected an image which all Americans should embrace but whether or not that image is genuine or a political construct.

Nice try though --- your guy shows a flaw and you blame it on conservatives.

I don't know who it was that "gave the thing traction". Who do you think was behind it? The conservatives most certainly stand to gain, as denigrating both leading democrat candidates is most likely to help McCain. I assume you think the Clinton camp was behind it? She also stands to gain in the short term.

Since I find all American mainstream tv outlets to the right of centre your ABC comment is meaningless to me. I assume you think it to be a left outlet and that was the point of your comment?

Thirdly, do you genuinely think the Wright thing means Obama himself is of the same beliefs as Wright? Truly??? Do you have any actual evidence of that?

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you will at leaset recognize the possibility of anecdotal evidence for it will you not ms. buns?

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Nimh - you're a TNR reader, right? Martin Peretz wrote a column defending Obama for 'Standing by his man' and was astounded (by his own admission) at the response. In his words, 120 responses, half of them critical. He was so shaken up, he published another column entitled 'Hysteria Abounds', with even more critics commenting on his motives.

Here are some of the comments from the first article:

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The problem is not that a supporter of Obama has repugnant views, but that one of Obama's closest and most influential advisors has repugnent views, and Obama sat in his church and listened to them without objection for years. How do we know that Obama doesn't really agree with Wright? Moreoever, wht if Hilary's pastor had these views? Would she have gotten the free pass Obabma has?

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Thank you, Martin. Please, go on encouraging Obama to "stand by his man." I hope you write an article for every issue on this episode. I want to see those Big Lie ravings replayed week in and week out until November. I want everyone to be reminded of the breathless "God damn America!" until the last vote is cast. This may do more to drive a nail in the deserved coffin of deliberately ignorant Black Liberation Theology than all the clucking chastisements we could otherwise offer.

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I have to assume that this is some sort of satirical piece; something on par with "The Onion"? If not, then it raises some very disturbing twists of "logic". The fact that Pastor Wright's inflammatory and anti-American themes are buried (hidden?) in between pleasant sounding rhetoric makes them MORE dangerous, not less. At least with Louis Farrakhan, you know where the man stands. What we have now is a candidate who claimed to transcend race, and instead is now voluntarily bogged down in it; and in its most divisive form. If this is whom Obama wishes to take his stand, it could very well be a Last Stand.

You can read all of the comments here.

Hysteria Abounds link.

So will you stand by your theory that it's the "right wing media" that takes it into the fever swamp, just as Marty Peretz is praising Obama for standing by his man? (And taking plenty of heat for it).

Rhetorical question.

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nimh wrote:

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First time I saw that line of speculation was by Foxfyre, I think. Then came Okie. And I was just kind of incredulous.

Incredulous, but not surprised, I'd expect.

Chait, in "The Big Con", lays out a compelling argument that the modern right in the US have acted consistently in the manner you refer to (smearing the 'character' of Dem candidates, not to mention the 'character' of 'liberals' generally) because if they were to address issues/policies (healthcare, Iraq, social safety net, economy) they wouldn't stand much of a chance electorally as significant majorities of americans support (and mostly have for decades) liberal/Dem policies in those key issues. Any brief review of the type of attacks we've seen against Carter, Clintons (both), Kerry, Gore and now Obama bring the truth of the argument into pretty clear relief. And we all knew it was coming, surely.

Of course, one also has to acknowledge here the nature of the modern 'news' media and how susceptible it is to that type of discourse.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

you will at leaset recognize the possibility of anecdotal evidence for it will you not ms. buns?

I know you have this anti-Obama thing going, but I have to say to you that I don't give a fiddle or a fig between Obama and Clinton.

To be honest, I seldom see a huge difference between republicans and democrats on most issues, and my only interest/hope in your election is that a lot of the damage done by Bush et al is undone.

As far as I can see even McCain at least SAYS he will do some of that.

Since I have no vote, I have not wasted time looking at the minutiae of the differences between the candidates' platforms, and I won't be doing so in future.

The little I have bothered to read about Obama gives me no indication of his being a racial extremist, except attending such a person's church, and I have a vague sense of his having given some kind of reasoning for that.

If somebody has evidence of his being like Wright, I'd be interested.

As far as I can see, either Obama or Clinton fill the bill of being better than Bush, as does McCain. I don't expect much more than that from any of them, and will be pleasantly surprised if any more is delivered, or even if my most basic hopes are realised.

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dlowan i did not say hint or intimate that thisd wa strue of obama... i just asked you if you could not except the possibility it could be true....

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

dlowan i did not say hint or intimate that thisd wa strue of obama... i just asked you if you could not except the possibility it could be true....

What about anything I have posted suggests that I would not consider any reasonable evidence that it was true?

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nothing besides you started your post by saying that you knew I was anti obama.... and then not answering simply yes or no to a simple yes or no question...I'm not trying to pick a fight with you ms. buns...

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

nothing besides you started your post by saying that you knew I was anti obama.... and then not answering simply yes or no to a simple yes or no question...I'm not trying to pick a fight with you ms. buns...

The extreme highlighting of the word "possibility" in your first post to me made me think this was part of your anti-Obama stuff, which I gather is around thinking people are getting all messianic about him?????

I was simply pointing out that I have no such feelings about him.

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"A blind man
in a dark room
is searching a black cat.
which is not there."
USA Democracy""""""""""

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dlowan wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
nothing besides you started your post by saying that you knew I was anti obama.... and then not answering simply yes or no to a simple yes or no question...I'm not trying to pick a fight with you ms. buns...

The extreme highlighting of the word "possibility" in your first post to me made me think this was part of your anti-Obama stuff, which I gather is around thinking people are getting all messianic about him?????

I was simply pointing out that I have no such feelings about him.

see, every post I make is assumed to be that and treated as such.... and then people wonder why I have my snarky attitude about things obama.... it was a straightforward yes or no question.....

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Yes Finn,
I don't expect anyone on A2K to base their conclusions on my instincts. While it would do some a world of good, no.

Yes, I saw his idiotic "riding dirty" thing, but can't recall when Clinton was accused of transporting illegal drugs, anyway. :wink: My guess is; that type of animation has been very good for raising Church donations, since it's clearly entertaining as evidenced by the people in attendance reacting quite positively to his idiotic rhetoric. So what? Does his little hip shake while saying "riding dirty" really offend you that bad? Really? Church goers have managed to come to terms with a decade's long cover up of hundreds of incidence of child molestation, essentially condoned by the lack of action from top to bottom. That's okay, but Wright's idiocy isn't? I don't much care whether it's promises of eternal life, threats of eternal damnation, melodic choruses or Wright's comedy circus sideshow that motivates the parishioners to open their wallets; none of it makes a lot of sense to me.

Now if Obama found God thru this man; I can easily imagine him looking past some idiotic politics in exchange for such a tremendous gift. What would you forgive in exchange for the gift of eternal life? For the knowledge that life has a purpose? For the inner peace that I imagine comes with genuine faith? If Wright brought me such a gift; I don't see me turning my back on him because he uses some outlandish nonsense to reach others with his message. A preacher without a following is about as useful as a Presidential candidate that isn't elected. This, IMO, is why Obama and Hillary claim they aren't for Single Payer Health Care. This, IMO, is why McCain is pretending he's learned a lesson about immigration. To some extent; virtually every voter has to look past some distasteful positions held by every candidate they ever vote for. Yet, we are all willing to do so, because we think the guy represents the greater or greatest good. Now Wright brings some extraordinary baggage for a man with Obama's aspirations but compare that baggage to the gift he gave him and I think you'd have to admit that Obama is at least behaving like a stand up guy for not forsaking the man who introduced him to God.

Again, I am not a religious man myself but I can only assume the gift of God is the single greatest thing a person could receive. It strikes me as odd, that other theists are having trouble seeing Obama's reasonable dilemma and his perfectly reasonable explanation for same.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

If all the Lefties love Obama (which they would in the absence of Hillary) and a fair number of the Righties don't like McCain, what do your instincts tell you?

That when it's all said and done; The United States of America will be inaugurating the nations first black President. And that Righties and Lefties alike will have cause to be proud.

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finn wrote:

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Did you see the clip of his "preaching" to his flock that Bill Clinton was "ridin dirty?"

Would you bring your young daughters to any public gathering, let alone a church, where the featured speaker behaved so lewdly?

tico wrote:

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Yeah, that was just lovely, wasn't it?

Bill wrote (to finn)

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Does his little hip shake while saying "riding dirty" really offend you that bad? Really?

Possibly finn was morally outraged by the sexuality he references here. Sounds like he was. And it seems as if tico was as well.

But that's a problem with blacks, isn't it? Their sexuality, I mean. So out in the open, so unhidden, so much like farm animals or jungle creatures. It's all so much benearth civilized white peoples' culture and traditions of worship. We understand precisely why good americans have wondered for almost 100 years why black music and dancing is even allowed to be performed at Carnegie or on the radio and tv.

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The Mountie Wrote:

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But that's a problem with blacks, isn't it? Their sexuality, I mean. So out in the open, so unhidden, so much like farm animals or jungle creatures. It's all so much benearth civilized white peoples' culture and traditions of worship. We understand precisely why good americans have wondered for almost 100 years why black music and dancing is even allowed to be performed at Carnegie or on the radio and tv.

There have been unsettling bits of information found by some investigative reporters from Limbaugh's Excellence in Broadcasting organization...

There are eyewitnesses to Obama's singing along with Marvin Gaye's 'Sexual Healing', and even doing a dance with his wife that could be accurately described as sexy to a tune called "Skin Tight' by the Ohio Players.

There have even been sightings of the Obama family frequenting a soul food restaurant, and eating some fairly scary dishes like ham hocks, collards and yams.

There seems to be some credence to the whole body of rumors that has been growing - Obama appears to really, actually be a black man with likes and dislikes common to many other black men...

The editors at EIB advise caution and calm, as fears of Obama's blackness infecting the whiter parts of the American population take hold.

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sorry snood... he's as much a white man as a black man.... you can't claim him all for your own just because he's the flavor of the week... anymore than Tiger Woods....hitch your wagon to a star though pal...

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

sorry snood... he's as much a white man as a black man.... you can't claim him all for your own just because he's the flavor of the week... anymore than Tiger Woods....hitch your wagon to a star though pal...

Aw, c'mon - where's your sense of humor? This is all just fun for you, right? Lemme have a little fun, too...

But all jokes aside, IMO I think Obama offers something for people of ALL kinds to be proud of, just like O'Bill said, here...

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when it's all said and done; The United States of America will be inaugurating the nations first black President. And that Righties and Lefties alike will have cause to be proud.

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exactly.... and I was just playing along...

the USA will possibly elect the first multi racial president... blacks and "liberal progressive" whites can claim him as the first black president in order to elevate their feelings about themselves if they like.... but this guy ain't black and whether he is or isn't has nothing to do with what kind of president he'll make and whether we should be proud of him.... time will tell that.... IF he's elected.... and if he is he needs to be judged on how good a job he does.... period.... he's a man and no ones token of anything....

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

So will you stand by your theory that it's the "right wing media" that takes it into the fever swamp, just as Marty Peretz is praising Obama for standing by his man? (And taking plenty of heat for it).

Rhetorical question.

Rhetorical? Hardly. Let me guess: you dont actually know much about Peretz, right, apart from that he writes for "the liberal New Republic"?

I've been astounded by Peretz's embrace of Obama - and even more by his defense of Obama's refusal to disavow Wright. Pleasantly astounded, mind - but still, very, very surprised.

Why? Because Peretz is somewhere to the right of Joe Lieberman about most any topic to do with Muslims, war, blacks, or any number of other subjects. (He was in fact the driving force behind the magazine's endorsement of Lieberman, of all persons, in the Democratic primaries of '04.)

So seriously - any attempt to use Peretz's blog on TNR as an example of how 'even people in the liberal media think that [etc]' falls flat on its face.

For years on end now, Peretz has used his blog on the TNR site, The Spine, as a bully pulpit to lambast Iraq war opponents, liberals, The Nation, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, anyone remotely critical of Israel's policies, anyone remotely associated with the liberal "netroots", anyone remotely connectable to traditional black politics, etc. Him and his "mini me" on The Plank, Jamie Kirchik.

Why is he on TNR anyway? Well, uh, he owned the thing. Nobody there to throw him out. But what has been the result? The readers of TNR's other writers and blogs either shun The Spine, or goggle at it. But The Spine, in its turn, has attracted a whole readership of its own, one you'd sooner associate with the National Review than with any liberal audience.

I am sure that Peretz's embrace of Obama already shocked a lot of those readers. His indirect defense of Wright must have positively infuriated many of them. So no, I'm not at all surprised that he got a lot of negative comments. But that says exactly zilch about this not being just about "right wing media"; Peretz is a rightwing media, all by himself. More often than not, his comments section is the fever swamp. If you want a comparison, then what you're looking for is the National Review's Charles Murray applauding Obama's race speech - I'm sure he got a lot of angry emails too.

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snood wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
sorry snood... he's as much a white man as a black man.... you can't claim him all for your own just because he's the flavor of the week... anymore than Tiger Woods....hitch your wagon to a star though pal...

Aw, c'mon - where's your sense of humor? This is all just fun for you, right? Lemme have a little fun, too...

But all jokes aside, IMO I think Obama offers something for people of ALL kinds to be proud of, just like O'Bill said, here...

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when it's all said and done; The United States of America will be inaugurating the nations first black President. And that Righties and Lefties alike will have cause to be proud.

Wasnt Bill Clinton already annointed the "first Black President"?

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mysteryman wrote:

snood wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
sorry snood... he's as much a white man as a black man.... you can't claim him all for your own just because he's the flavor of the week... anymore than Tiger Woods....hitch your wagon to a star though pal...

Aw, c'mon - where's your sense of humor? This is all just fun for you, right? Lemme have a little fun, too...

But all jokes aside, IMO I think Obama offers something for people of ALL kinds to be proud of, just like O'Bill said, here...

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when it's all said and done; The United States of America will be inaugurating the nations first black President. And that Righties and Lefties alike will have cause to be proud.

Wasnt Bill Clinton already annointed the "first Black President"?

Just when I'm all set to try to give you the benefit of the doubt, MM. Well, waitaminute - you think that was funny, right?

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