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Europe's Anti-American Obsession

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:46 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
ossobuco wrote:
Perusing quickly, I most agree with Francis, that is, I agree re my personal observations and his. Nod along with George and Walter too, and TKO's earlier posts, as I didn't dwell on the last ones between him and Finn.

I've thrown a fit or two at one or two australians and canadians on a2k lumping all of us u.s. americans in one bathtub, but I see how they can make that jump.


Well that's perfectly clear. Very Happy


What's not clear, about Francis, George, and Walter, or certain australians and canadians?

Francis and Walter tend not to generalize about americans as such, as much as some others will do from time to time.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:33 pm
ossobuco wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
ossobuco wrote:
Perusing quickly, I most agree with Francis, that is, I agree re my personal observations and his. Nod along with George and Walter too, and TKO's earlier posts, as I didn't dwell on the last ones between him and Finn.

I've thrown a fit or two at one or two australians and canadians on a2k lumping all of us u.s. americans in one bathtub, but I see how they can make that jump.


Well that's perfectly clear. Very Happy


What's not clear, about Francis, George, and Walter, or certain australians and canadians?

Francis and Walter tend not to generalize about americans as such, as much as some others will do from time to time.


OK - I stand rebuffed (right) Cool
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:44 pm
Are you rebuffed I didn't read your and TKO's posts? This time of night I'm practically asleep. Will read them tomorrow. Hang in for the denouement.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 12:39 am
ossobuco wrote:
Are you rebuffed I didn't read your and TKO's posts? This time of night I'm practically asleep. Will read them tomorrow. Hang in for the denouement.


Bated breath have I.

No, I am not rebuffed, but I am sarcastic.

By all means, give TKO's posts the consideration they deserve.

In the words of the immortal Curley Howard: "Lah-dee-dah; lah-dee-dee!"
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 04:20 pm
Europe's Anti-American Obsession

The title of this thread is somewhat uncongenial.
The word "obsession" is unpalatable.
Of course Europeans are fed up with American arrogance
( not the leaders from Europe who lick the feet of BUSH's banal behaviour)

I met an American in Köln today and he speek 5 languages.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 04:31 pm
Sorry
"Are bombs the only way
of settng fire to the spirit of people?
Is the human will as inert as the past
two world-wide wars world indicate?-- Gregory Clark
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 01:40 pm
Here is a relevant quote from a critical humanbeing who happens to be an American.

"The pure miracle of invisibility is uninteresting unless it can be linked to, say the rumbling terror of an armored tank -- made perhaps even more attention-grabbing by squashing the bloody guts out of an Iraqi under its tracks? It’s the sensory effect that matters, the simulacrum, not the reality. It’s the kind of thing about America that drives me to thoughts of emigration daily.

Americans, rich or poor, now live in a culture entirely perceived through simulacra-media images and illusions. We live inside a self-referential media hologram of a nation that has not existed for quite some time now, especially in America's heartland. Our national reality is held together by a pale, carbon imprint of the original. The well-off, with their upscale consumer aesthetic, live inside gated Disneyesque communities with gleaming uninhabited front porches representing some bucolic notion of the Great American home and family. The working class, true to its sports culture aesthetic, is a spectator to politics ... politics which are so entirely imagistic as to be holograms of a process, not a process. Social realism is a television commercial for America, a simulacrum republic of eagles, church spires, brave young soldiers and heroic firefighters and “freedom of choice” within the hologram. America's citizens have been reduced to Balkanized consumer units by the corporate state's culture producing machinery.

We no longer have a country . . . just the hollow shell of one, a global corporation masquerading electronically and digitally as a nation called the United States.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Dec05/Bageant1222.htm
I don't think that is prejudiced against American culture nor obsessed with Anti- American shiboleths.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 04:34 pm
SINCE THIS THREAD IS A SUCCINCT INSINUATIONS ABOUT CRITICAL PERSONS who vegitate, live, demonstrate, shape, shake the human conscience around the globe, let me beg your pardon to quote this American view.

" I confess that I cannot UNDERSTAND how we can plot, lie, cheat and
commit murder abroad and remain
humane, honourable, trustworthy and trusted at home----Archibald Cox
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 06:17 pm
Of course there are some humanbeing behind the border of USA.
And Of course USA is fed up up with OUR civilizations( If we have one?)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 02:53 pm
Rama, thanks for the interesting writing. Unfortunately, it is true, and is not lost on a lot of non-Americans. I think that the American public may, sooner than later, wake up to this reality. The sooner we do this, the better.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 03:06 pm
Advocate
I am a congenial critics with civility and morality.
I entangle not to denigrade any individual but I am dead against any powerful force which shows the banal face which I call hypocracy.
Thanks
Rama
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 03:14 pm
"America to me has standards and values which for most of my life I have respected and admired. Reverend Jackson, my question now is: where were those standards and values, in the rubble of the village I visited in Afghanistan? Where were they in the destroyed homes of the innocent families who found themselves caught between American soldiers and their enemies?

I believe your government and many good Americans believe that your country’s involvement in Iraq is “a righteous cause”. But I don’t think that is enough to justify the death of so many good people, people like you and me, whose only crime was to be between the American military and the people who hate what America stands for.

I honestly fear that the result of all this killing of innocent people will be that more and more people will join those who hate what America stands for"
http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-africa_democracy/article_2276.jsp
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 05:03 pm
Unfortunately all Europeans are not like this American.
" I have a feeling that at any time
about three million Americans can be had
for any militant reaction against
LAW DECENCY THE CONSTITUTION THESUPREME COURT
COMPASSION AND THE rule of reason"-- jOHN KENNETH GALBRAITH
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 02:57 pm
Be decent as you are
and be not a banal barbaric slave of consume-oriented, compassionate cultureless curmudgeion.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 06:26 pm
just below i had revived a thread
which has some connection with the title of this thread.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2008 12:38 pm
A new BBC World Service poll finds that the U.S. image abroad "has begun to improve after worsening for years, but the United States is still viewed more negatively than the European Union, Brazil, China, India and Russia." According to the new survey, 35 percent of the world believes the United States has a positive influence, but 47 percent still believe its influence is negative.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2008 04:31 pm
Advocate wrote:
A new BBC World Service poll finds that the U.S. image abroad "has begun to improve after worsening for years, but the United States is still viewed more negatively than the European Union, Brazil, China, India and Russia." According to the new survey, 35 percent of the world believes the United States has a positive influence, but 47 percent still believe its influence is negative.


How is this survey result meaningful?

If everything one hears or reads about the US is filtered by a government that has political reasons to cast the US in a bad light, it's pretty difficult to imagine how one might form a favorable opinion about the US.

Certainly this is not the case for citizens of the European Union, Canada, Australia, Japan and other nation that have a free press, but the opinions of people about any aspect of the world outside what they directly experience are highly immaterial if their owners live in a nation where the government has strict control over the press.

Does the BBC survey break down it's results by country or even region?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2008 09:49 am
Finn, do you have information that the governments in Europe, such as in the UK, control the media. I doubt this is true. Moreover, you have to admit (but you won't) that Europeans have good reason to think ill of us.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2008 10:05 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Advocate wrote:
A new BBC World Service poll finds that the U.S. image abroad "has begun to improve after worsening for years, but the United States is still viewed more negatively than the European Union, Brazil, China, India and Russia." According to the new survey, 35 percent of the world believes the United States has a positive influence, but 47 percent still believe its influence is negative.


How is this survey result meaningful?

If everything one hears or reads about the US is filtered by a government that has political reasons to cast the US in a bad light, it's pretty difficult to imagine how one might form a favorable opinion about the US.

Certainly this is not the case for citizens of the European Union, Canada, Australia, Japan and other nation that have a free press, but the opinions of people about any aspect of the world outside what they directly experience are highly immaterial if their owners live in a nation where the government has strict control over the press.

Does the BBC survey break down it's results by country or even region?


Yup.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2yyw6j9.jpg


Full survey here (PDF file).
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2008 10:19 am
oe, I gather that, enerally the more advanced the country, the more negatively we are viewed.
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