dlowan wrote:Diest TKO wrote:RexRed wrote:A godless person is more shallow than the color and thickness of their skin.
Because I'm taking notes Rex, which skin color is the most shallow? Please teach me more about the bible. Please.
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Well, "white" always LOOKS shallowest to me....(since Rex seems to have gone all blissfully quiet and all, and I don't think the bible comments...not that Rex appears capable of reading the bible, or anything, so we might have to figure out Rex's god's attitude to relative shallowness of skin colours all on our own)...what do you think? It certainly damages and ages the fastest.
Do you think that means it's shallow, or just delicate?
I am not comparing skin color and never would have even derived that from what I wrote. My point is that anyone hung up on the surface must be shallow inside. Now cultural differences go much deeper, like the words yo, howdy doody and god bless.
Daniel 4:34
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine
eyes unto heaven, and mine
understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Diest TKO wrote:RexRed wrote:A godless person is more shallow than the color and thickness of their skin.
Because I'm taking notes Rex, which skin color is the most shallow? Please teach me more about the bible. Please.
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Are you saying the Bible praises a certain skin color? You might be interested to know that Jesus Christ (whom you mock under your breath) spoke in "orientalisms". (Look the word up, I did... over 20 years ago.) This means he was evidentially partially "oriental". Go ahead and mock see where that gets your "karma".
Proverbs 17:24
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the
eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 11:3
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear [reverence/respect] of the LORD:
and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
I'll pray for your keyboard tonight before I go to bed. For whatever reason it seems to randomly put quotation marks into your sentances.
Weird.
Hang in there champ. We are going to make it together. Let's show the Obamas the power of jesus!
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Diest TKO wrote:I'll pray for your keyboard tonight before I go to bed. For whatever reason it seems to randomly put quotation marks into your sentances.
Weird.
Hang in there champ. We are going to make it together. Let's show the Obamas the power of jesus!
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James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word,
and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Comment: Obama may very well be a devout Christian man. Only God can really know his heart (at this point) and not Oprah Winfrey! I will not, and shall not be deceived by words alone. I must also, as the word of God says, judge men/women by what they have done if I am to be in alignment and harmony with the only true God's will.
As for Obama, his "deeds" add up to a big zero so far.
The proof is in the pudding Diest. So far the pudding is watery and has no real flavor to add to the savor.
As for Condi it is no wonder AT ALL that she does not want to be Vice president or even president. With blood smearing liberals calling her a warmonger and LYING liberals smearing her name day and night in the left wing (poor excuse for the) press why would she want the job? Why would anyone "worthy" and sane want the job?
Those nasty poor excuses for people will be voting for Barak this time around! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT BARAK? Barak has even fooled the damned fools! Yet I am sure Condoleezza is still proud of her country and her eight years of loyal public service for the good of this nation. Condoleezza Rice represents the best of the American spirit!
Of the few LOYAL legitimate candidates left standing in the race, there is a man who survived prison camps in North Korea! FIGURE IT OUT! It takes a battle hardened person to even consider running for president of this country. Barak has no war experience (except maybe those secret Al Qaeda training camps) and openly, admitedly wants to cut and run. The only way we will get a loyal president this time is if America stops hurting the ones that have done the most to save this country! Even I take a risk standing up for this country and "George Bush" against the onslaught of rude, vicious power grubbing America haters and friends of domestic terrorists that refer to themselves as democrats!
My soul is prepared to meet my maker, is yours?
Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Comment: That means in plane English, "wake the hell up"!
RexRed wrote:Comment: Obama may very well be a very devout Christian man. Only God can really know his heart (at this point) and not Oprah Winfrey! I will not, and shall not be deceived by words alone. I must also, as the word of God says, judge men/women by what they have done if I am to be in alignment and harmony with the only true God's will..
I'm with you. He reeks of Koran.
RexRed wrote:
The proof is in the pudding Diest. So far the pudding is watery and has no real flavor to add to the savor.
Tell me about it. Fact: Nobody in history loved pudding more than Jesus. Nobody. Many have claimed to adore it more. Question: Where are they now? Answer: Hell.
RexRed wrote:
Those nasty poor excuses for people will be voting for Barak this time around! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT BARAK? Barak has even fooled the damned fools! Yet I am sure Condoleezza is still proud of her country and her eight years of loyal public service for the good of this nation. Condoleezza Rice represents the best of the American spirit!
You're right. She's a better brownie for the job. Jesus approved.
RexRed wrote:
My soul is prepared to meet my maker, is yours?
Almost. I have to return some videos to blockbuster, but after that it's smooth sailing from here on.
RexRed wrote:
Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Comment: That means in plane English, "wake the hell up"!
That's right! Tell 'em!
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plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
dagmaraka wrote:plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
Ok you got me there, sorry been typing all day.
I'm leaving on a spiritual spaceship.
Diest TKO wrote:RexRed wrote:Comment: Obama may very well be a very devout Christian man. Only God can really know his heart (at this point) and not Oprah Winfrey! I will not, and shall not be deceived by words alone. I must also, as the word of God says, judge men/women by what they have done if I am to be in alignment and harmony with the only true God's will..
I'm with you. He reeks of Koran.
RexRed wrote:
The proof is in the pudding Diest. So far the pudding is watery and has no real flavor to add to the savor.
Tell me about it. Fact: Nobody in history loved pudding more than Jesus. Nobody. Many have claimed to adore it more. Question: Where are they now? Answer: Hell.
RexRed wrote:
Those nasty poor excuses for people will be voting for Barak this time around! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT BARAK? Barak has even fooled the damned fools! Yet I am sure Condoleezza is still proud of her country and her eight years of loyal public service for the good of this nation. Condoleezza Rice represents the best of the American spirit!
You're right. She's a better brownie for the job. Jesus approved.
RexRed wrote:
My soul is prepared to meet my maker, is yours?
Almost. I have to return some videos to blockbuster, but after that it's smooth sailing from here on.
RexRed wrote:
Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Comment: That means in plane English, "wake the hell up"!
That's right! Tell 'em!
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I don't know what to make of you. Yer ok though I guess.
From today's Albuquerqu Journal, an opinion (not online there[yet], though online at other papers)
Quote:Obama just can't win for being African or American
By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
03/03/2008
In the movie "Selena," about the slain Tejano singer, there is a priceless scene where Edward James Olmos tries to explain how difficult it is to be Mexican-American. One has to be more Mexican than Mexicans, he says, and more American than Americans.
"We've got to know about John Wayne and Pedro Infante ... Oprah and Cristina," he says. "It's exhausting."
That scene came to mind when I saw that goofy photo of Barack Obama in traditional Somali dress, complete with turban, during a visit to Africa - the photo that Hillary Clinton assures us did not come from anyone in her campaign "so far as I know."
It's pretty clear why the photo, which had already appeared in a supermarket tabloid, enjoyed a second life on the Internet: It is part of an effort by Obama's critics to portray him - and, his wife, Michelle - as unpatriotic, ungrateful and un-American.
Apparently, to those with prejudices, depicting someone as a foreigner, or even dressed in foreign garb, gets you halfway there. In Obama's case, it only adds fuel to the furor that he chooses not to wear a flag pin on his lapel or once opted not to place his hand over his heart during the Star-Spangled Banner.
This exercise is familiar territory for Mexican-Americans, condemned to spend eternity trying to convince English, thank you. For the most part, what the skeptics want is a guarantee that, in the unlikely event that war breaks out with Mexico, Mexican-Americans would come down on the right side of the hyphen.
How idiotic. Mexican-Americans are the last people on Earth who owe anything to Mexico, which disowned their ancestors. Everything they have achieved they owe to the blessing of living in the United States.
In recent days, Barack and Michelle Obama have been saying much the same thing. They insist that one doesn't run for president unless one feels an undying love for one's country.
Michelle Obama never said she didn't love her country. What she said to an audience in Milwaukee was that "for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but (because) I think people are hungry for change."
Conservative commentators - including some white men who don't have a clue what is like to walk in Michelle Obama's shoes - couldn't wait to pounce on the remarks, as if their suspicions had been confirmed. Suddenly, the graduate of Princeton University and Harvard Law School was transformed into the female equivalent of Eldridge Cleaver.
But what gives the commentators the right to lecture someone else - let alone someone with a different life experience - about how she should feel about her country? Few things are more personal.
Later, Michelle said that what she meant to say was simply that she was proud that Americans were excited about the political process. Asked if she had always been proud of her country, Michelle replied "absolutely" and noted that she and her husband both have been given many opportunities for which they are grateful.
The irony is that those very opportunities - such as the chance to attend elite universities - may make it more difficult for the Obamas and others with similar credentials to identify with their fellow African-Americans even as they're viewed suspiciously by the mainstream. It can be a lonely place.
That was the conclusion of a Princeton senior who, in her senior thesis, examined whether black alumni of the university were, as a result of their time at Princeton, "more or less motivated to benefit the black community." After interviewing 89 black graduates, the student suggested that attending the school decreased the extent to which black alumni identified with the larger African-American community.
The student also drew on her own experience, which, she wrote, was consistent with that of the black alumni. Her name was Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, but today she is Michelle Obama.
Her thesis is not exactly "Soul on Ice," but it does provide a glimpse into world of the African-American high achiever. You spend your life studying and working hard and, for your trouble, you find yourself alienated from the rest of your community. Then, years later, something happens to convince you that neither are you accepted by some in the larger community. So you expend a lot of effort trying to fit into both.
Like the man said, I bet it's exhausting.
RexRed wrote:snood wrote:DrewDad wrote:snood wrote:Man, wtf are you reading? Are you reading what gets writte on this thread, or just what you imagine is being said?
Isn't the whole thread based on what they thought Michelle Obama said?
Hawkeye falsely synthesized the totality of what Michelle was saying into "this is about black pride". That characterization is just plain wrong, and either an attempt to marginalize and minimize, or a shameful display of willful ignorance. Either way "wtf are you reading?" is a legitimate question for him.
Snood, would you be insulted if some here were to start to speak boldly about "white pride"? I am sure you would! I would take offence to the term "white pride" myself! Yet you seem to not even flinch at the words black pride as it there is a REAL reason why a black person should not innately be proud of who they are. What do you think the words "black pride" should to mean to average white people? The one thing about national pride is it unites us unlike black or white pride that segregates us once again. It is time WE get over it and find a national identity over racial separation. Michelle doesn't seem to be there yet.
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Wouldya do one little thing for me? Wouldya find a quote somewhere or a reference to Michelle Obama talking about "black pride"? You won't be able to find one - know why? She didn't say anything about that.
dagmaraka wrote:plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
dag .. have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings? There's a full time job waiting for you if you're looking for one. He could use a full time editor.
RexRed wrote:I'm leaving on a spiritual spaceship.
I'll alert the Heaven's Gate folks to be on the lookout.
snood wrote:RexRed wrote:snood wrote:DrewDad wrote:snood wrote:Man, wtf are you reading? Are you reading what gets writte on this thread, or just what you imagine is being said?
Isn't the whole thread based on what they thought Michelle Obama said?
Hawkeye falsely synthesized the totality of what Michelle was saying into "this is about black pride". That characterization is just plain wrong, and either an attempt to marginalize and minimize, or a shameful display of willful ignorance. Either way "wtf are you reading?" is a legitimate question for him.
Snood, would you be insulted if some here were to start to speak boldly about "white pride"? I am sure you would! I would take offence to the term "white pride" myself! Yet you seem to not even flinch at the words black pride as it there is a REAL reason why a black person should not innately be proud of who they are. What do you think the words "black pride" should to mean to average white people? The one thing about national pride is it unites us unlike black or white pride that segregates us once again. It is time WE get over it and find a national identity over racial separation. Michelle doesn't seem to be there yet.
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Wouldya do one little thing for me? Wouldya find a quote somewhere or a reference to Michelle Obama talking about "black pride"? You won't be able to find one - know why? She didn't say anything about that.
I was not referring to Michelle mentioning black pride it was you who brought up the phrase. My comment was directed this time specifically to you.
DrewDad wrote:RexRed wrote:I'm leaving on a spiritual spaceship.
I'll alert the Heaven's Gate folks to be on the lookout.
i knew that was coming as I wrote it... Another liberal California offshoot of Christianity? Pass the KoolAid...
Comment: The article below is I'm sure intended to scare republicans away from Obama but I think it has the opposite effect and legitimizes him a bit. Maybe Obama was pandering to gays and lesbians but I do like it that he at least tried. (See, I'm not all that partisan my concerns are genuine.)
Obama: Sermon on Mount OKs Same-Sex Unions
Monday, March 3, 2008 8:04 AM
By: Terence P. Jeffrey
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him "less Christian."
"I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state," said Obama. "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." (See video here) St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans condemns homosexual acts as unnatural and sinful.
Obama's mention of the Sermon on the Mount in justifying legal recognition of same-sex unions may have been a reference to the Golden Rule: "Do to others what you would have them do to you." Or it may have been a reference to another famous line: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
The Sermon, recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, includes the Lord's Prayer, the Beatitudes, an endorsement of scriptural moral commandments ("anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"), and condemnations of murder, divorce and adultery. It also includes a warning: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
The passage from St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, which Obama dismissed as "obscure," discusses people who knew God but turned against him.
"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised," wrote St. Paul. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
On the topic of abortion, Obama said his support for keeping it legal does not trespass on his Christian faith.
"I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view," Obama said about abortion. "Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."
Obama opened his town-hall-type meeting at the college with a short speech and then provided lengthy answers to a handful of questions. One questioner, Leon Forte, a Protestant clergyman, asked Obama about evangelical Christians who were concerned about his position on issues that conservatives consider "litmus tests."
"Your campaign sets a quandary for most evangelical Christians because I believe that they believe in the social agenda that you have, but they have a problem in what the conservatives have laid out as the moral litmus tests as to who is worthy and who is not," said Forte. "So, I will ask you to speak to those two questions."
Obama volunteered that he believed Forte was talking about abortion and homosexual marriage, and then he gave answers on both issues that were not as explicit as positions he has staked out on these issues in other venues. Last Thursday, for example, as reported by Cybercast News Service, Obama published on his Web site an "open letter concerning LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) equality in America."
In that letter, Obama said he favored same-sex unions that were equal to marriage--including adoption rights--and that he was open to states codifying same-sex marriages.
"As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws," Obama said in the letter. "I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples--whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage."
In Ohio on Sunday, before mentioning the Sermon on the Mount, Obama insisted he was against "gay marriage" and did not mention his support for allowing same-sex couples to adopt children and have the same "family" status as heterosexual couples.
"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them," said Obama on Sunday. "So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view."
Obama also has been more aggressive in framing his pro-abortion position previously than he was on Sunday. When he was in the Illinois Senate, for example, he repeatedly opposed a bill that would have defined as a "person" a baby who had survived an induced-labor abortion and was born alive.
In a 2001 Illinois Senate floor speech about that bill, he argued that to call a baby who survived an abortion a "person" would give it equal protection rights under the 14th Amendment and would give credibility to the argument that the same child inside its mother's womb was also a "person" and thus could not be aborted.
When the Illinois Senate bill was amended to make it identical to a federal law that included language to protect Roe v. Wade--and that the U.S. Senate voted unanimously to pass--Obama still opposed the bill, voting it down in the Illinois Senate committee he chaired.
Yet, in Ohio on Sunday, Obama depicted abortion as a tragedy to be avoided, while being kept legal.
"On the issue of abortion, that is always a tragic and painful issue," he said. "I think it is always tragic, and we should prevent it as much as possible .... But I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view. Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."
Before discussing his views on same-sex unions and abortion, Obama told the crowd he was a "devout Christian."
"In terms of my faith, there has been so much confusion that has been deliberately perpetrated through emails and so forth, so here are the simple facts," he said. "I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I have been a member of the same church for 20 years, pray to Jesus every night, and try to go to church as much as I can when they are not working me. Used to go quite often.
"These days, we haven't been at the home church--I haven't been home on Sunday--for several months now. So, my faith is important to me. It is not something that I try to push on other people. But it is something that helps to guide my life and my values."
Ticomaya wrote:dagmaraka wrote:plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
dag .. have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings? There's a full time job waiting for you if you're looking for one. He could use a full time editor.
You mean: Dag, have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings?
You forgot to capitolize Dag, and you used two periods instead of a comma.
You don't type perfectly or use perfect spelling either Tico. I don't feel the need to point it out to you because it's irrelavant to topic. If you'd like to create a spelling/typing thread, please feel free to do so.
Until then, don't harp on me unless you plan on giving the same attention to your fellow fundie OmSigDavid's particular brand of gramatical expression.
Seems like your attention to detail aligns neatly with whether you agree with someone's ideas or not.
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Or type well
I have finally tripped to Rex's psychosis, and i must say it is breathtaking.
Apparently, Rex thinks that because Barak Obama is not a white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or one of the nationalities which passes for WASP in this country, he must surely be a frothing at the mouth Muslim jihadist who will drag the nation kicking and screaming into an Islamic dictatorship.
**** like that puts drug-induced delusions to shame.
Diest TKO wrote:Ticomaya wrote:dagmaraka wrote:plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
dag .. have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings? There's a full time job waiting for you if you're looking for one. He could use a full time editor.
You mean: Dag, have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings?
You forgot to capitolize Dag, and you used two periods instead of a comma.
You don't type perfectly or use perfect spelling either Tico. I don't feel the need to point it out to you because it's irrelavant to topic. If you'd like to create a spelling/typing thread, please feel free to do so.
Until then, don't harp on me unless you plan on giving the same attention to your fellow fundie OmSigDavid's particular brand of gramatical expression.
Seems like your attention to detail aligns neatly with whether you agree with someone's ideas or not.
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sorry to intrude in your exchange, gents, but this was Rex's typo. Not Diest's.
Diest TKO wrote:Ticomaya wrote:dagmaraka wrote:plane English? Three mile high club cleaning up and offering gospel instead of sex?
dag .. have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings? There's a full time job waiting for you if you're looking for one. He could use a full time editor.
You mean: Dag, have you looked at Diest's posts for typos and misspellings?
You forgot to capitolize Dag, and you used two periods instead of a comma.
"Capitolize"? The legislature meets in dagmaraka?
No, I did not forget to capitalize "dag." If you didn't notice, genius, dagmaraka does not capitalize her username.
Nor did I intend a comma ... I intended points of ellipses, and merely used the lesser-known two-point method.
Quote:You don't type perfectly or use perfect spelling either Tico. I don't feel the need to point it out to you because it's irrelavant to topic. If you'd like to create a spelling/typing thread, please feel free to do so.
No, but I don't come close to banging out the quantity of mistakes you can bring in a given post.
dag felt drawn to correct RR's misspelled word, but has apparently missed the
plethora of misspelled words you generate ... or has chosen to ignore them.
Quote:Until then, don't harp on me unless you plan on giving the same attention to your fellow fundie OmSigDavid's particular brand of gramatical expression.
Who's harping? I wasn't even talking to you. I've reached the conclusion that you don't give a **** about spelling, and aren't inclined to work on your weakness in that regard. My comment was directed to dag.
Quote:Seems like your attention to detail aligns neatly with whether you agree with someone's ideas or not.
Not in this case, where my comment was directed at the person who chose to critique one typo/misspelling of RR's, while completely overlooking all of your many, many mistakes. I critiqued nothing ... I merely pointed out the inconsistency.
