The UN, US and Iraq IV

I would think we were beyong needing reasons for invading Iraq. It's done. We can't leave Iraq now as no one else in the world has the man power or the money to take over.

All that's left is for the whining and complaining about Bush and his croonies, which there seems to be no lack of. Time will tell whther or not we are successful. It is still far too early in the game to decide the outcome.

Calling Bush a moron or idiot, or commander - in cheat, or shrub, etc... is hardly criticism of the administration...

It is mere grade school whining.

What about it to you is a disaster?

Are you denying the dossier was false, and it was the info passed to our gov't as being fact.

As for the border, well we can't even keep illegals out of California.

There are enough troops, just not enough for rotation and/or in case of a simultanious mission.

Disaster? I think we've done a fine job so far, too bad we didn't have your clairvoyance to guide us through unforseen 'excuses'. Who knew the infrastructure was as bad as it is there, who knew starving theives/or resistance would strip electical wire and do things like steal pumps from sewage stations to sell or just purposely make things worth. Between that and much more like, being shot at, bombed, suicide bombed, working in 122 degree heat, attacked by enemy dressed as civilians etc. , being attacked by border crossers, we've managed to capture or kill 60% of Saddams regime, train a police force, help them set up their gov't, businesses have reopened, infrastructure being repaired etc. I don't see how we could do much better. What I hear from you is a lot of intellectual dishonesty and basic Bush hatred.

On this board it seems to be 'cool' to bash and focus on anything construed as negative, it isn't all negative, it isn't a disaster, more people are going to live instead of die under Saddam in Iraq.

Thanks for the 'IBC' site, hobitbob, but even it is suspect with their counts based on 'median ratios', injuries 'estimated' 3 per death etc. Let 150 watch a car wreck and you'll will gwt a 150 different counts on how many died in it. I don't doubt a lot of innocent died, some of them because the health facilities ther were neglect by the regime like everything else. The 'oil for food money', what wasn't absconded with by the corrupt UN, was hoarded by Saddam who cared nothing for his people. Oh that's just another excuse, silly me.

I fear our gov't and didn't vote for this pres., and there is a lot of stuff to be critical about not to mention enough blame to go round, but a lot of good can come from the actions taken in Iraq. I would like to see a little more parity on this board, it's easy to bash and second guess.

All that, McGentrix, and they haven't managed to secure the borders against terrorist infiltration. Perhaps they want terrorist infiltration? Or perhaps you have a better excuse for them?

So the war was the result of faulty British intelligence?

Today the Intelligence and Security Committee of the House of Commons reported the Sept. 02 document was not "sexed-up".

Bush and friends had plans to invade Iraq when he was still govenor of Texas.

Bob, there will be no pleasing you, so I shant try. You will be forever a pessimist and no matter what happened, you would find fault with it.

Have a nice day.

As I recall most people in America supported the Iraq war, it didn't matter if the WMD's were there or not, most just wanted Saddam's head on a platter.

All that, McGentrix, and they haven't managed to secure the borders against terrorist infiltration. Perhaps they want terrorist infiltration? Or perhaps you have a better excuse for them?

Brand x wrote:

As I recall most people in America supported the Iraq war, it didn't matter if the WMD's were there or not, most just wanted Saddam's head on a platter.

If american popularity were a valid measure, Britney would be considered great art, and the WWF would be considered sport.

I think it would be a great strategy to keep the borders open so we can fight them in Iraq, it saves us a lot of time and trouble. Fighting them there our casualties are reduced to maybe a soldier per day, not persuing this war and letting the terrorist periodically bomb our ships, embassy's and towers poses much more loss of lives and economic damage for us as demonstrated on 9/11.