The UN, US and Iraq IV

Italgato, You're barking up the wrong tree if you wish to engage Walter. He's a 'real' contributor to A2K, and you're attacking him is not only misguided, but wrong. c.i.

I don't engage in petty fights- dear sir.

But I won't shrink from pointing out errors!!!

Please do not feel compelled to respond.

I insist on responding to you.

Your comment with regard to my alleged "bias" when I asked about Zogby shows that you know little or nothing about polls and polling organizations.

My information was not invented.

The Washington Post reported on 6/3/2002 that Zogby International is owned by Palestinian Jim Zogby, President of the Muslim American League.

I recall that some people also showed their "bias" when they denounced the German-American Bund before World War II.

Please!!!

How is it an attack when I point out that Walter Hinteler spelled the word "privat"

I didn't spell it. He did.

Very well. I withdraw my post. I will delete it.

However, I must then claim the right to misspell any word I choose to misspell in any post.

Correct spelling is absolutely necessary if accurate communication is the objective.

I am requesting information on the procedure to be used to delete a post.

Which was a Nazi sympathetic group. Do you really wish to go there?

Italgato, FYI, most of us that have participated on A2K for any period of time have made spelling errors. Many participants on A2K are not the citizens of English speaking countries, and often the second or third language of the participant. We do not expect perfect English from these participants, nor from most people on A2K - even if we are citizens of the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, or Canada. If you want perfection in spelling and grammar, you're not going to find it on A2K. I've posted over 11,000 articles on A2K, and you're going to find at least 50 percent of them with problems in spelling or grammar, and I will not apologize for my errors. I think most people understand what I'm trying to communicate; that's the important thing.

Once a reponse is made after your post, you cannot delete it. However, you can edit the post by clicking on to the "Edit" box.

Italgato, considering your extremely poor composition skills, you should probably not be attacking other poster's spelling, eh?

Do I really want to go there?

Yes.

The German American Bund was a group sympathetic to the Nazis.

The Washington Post Article I referenced indicated that the "ethics" of the Zogby Group, run by Jim Zogby, President of the Muslim American League left something to be desired.

My reference to this article was made to point out that the Zogby Polling was not done by a group like the Gallup Poll which has an unblemished reputation.

I pointed this out to Mumajuana so that she would know that the polling done by Zogby could possibly be affected by bias.

I did not invent the Washington Post Article.

It lives.

I am beholden to Hobibit who points out that my composition skills are lacking.

It was ever thus.

However, one of the reasons I contribute to sites like able2know is that I sometimes meet people like Hobibit, geniuses in their own time, who, hopefully, can instruct me with regards to my failings in composition.

I hope that Hobibit can take some his valuable time to point out my errors in composition.

I would appreciate it very much.

It is not every day that one encounters brilliance exhibited by people like Hobibit.

I hope he will deign to share his learning with me.

Thanking you in advance, Hobibit.

Oddly, I heard Limbaugh today say that Zogby has done some extraordinarily sensitive and accurate polling, though he often dislikes their results and teases them, calling them the "zombie"poll.

A: This is not a good forum for Muslim basing. Try the Baltimore Sun's discussion group, or Freerepublic.com
B: On polls: you might want to read the Summer 2003 issue of "The Brookings Review" for some information about polls. You may find that Gallup has been guilty of some "fudging" on behalf of those who have commisioned polls from them in the past.
C:As far as composition skills go, its a pet peeve. Try using compound sentences and varying your woird choice and order.
D: This is not the sort of forum where people have screaming and hairpulling fights. Your tone is rather offensive, although I realise you may not intend it to be so. Have a good night.

Nobody chooses to think that the Zogbys' Arab descent is a cause for name calling. John Zogby has been editing - verysuccessfully, his polling site for almost 2o years, It is considered one of the best researched and carefully broken down site in the country. On line, ony registered voters are called upon to vote (they maintain a list) and their control questions are careful. And their questions encompass many facets. Among the sources they work with are newsmax. the New York Post, and the McLaughlin Group, so one could safely say hat while they do maintain a central base, they tilt a little right. I have partcipated in their poll for three years. The other Zogby James, John's brother, heads the American-Arab League.

Here's a very recent release from them: (The Arab American league)

"Poll Shows Declining Arab American Support for Bush; Kerry, Dean Lead Among Democrats
A new poll conducted for the Arab American Institute by Zogby International of New York reports that support for President George W. Bush has continued to decline. Of 500 Arab American voters surveyed nationwide in July 2003, only one third said they would vote for Bush if the presidential election were held today.

The poll also showed that 68.5% of Arab Americans say that a candidate’s Middle East policy is very important in determining their vote, and 53% believe that civil liberties and the treatment of immigrants is also an important issue".



And, too, accusations of ethical misbehavior are worrthless unless theycan be documented.

The poor Gallup Poll has suffered a decline in recent years, just like Bush, and seems to be trotted out only when all else fails.

mamj, ignore Ittykitty. he and his evil twin are on a roll tonight and seem upset no one will play their game.

Ah, but when he's wrong, which he so often is in a pontifical way, he's plain to see. He doesn't play a game, Hob, he's serious, and that's what makes it worse. And laughable..

Mumajuana again clearly shows that either she has no research skills or she is attempting to deceive.

I read her blurb on Zogby.
She is, predictably, wrong.

First of all, according to the "Jewish World" on 6/6/2000 column- Insight- John Zogby is clearly identified as a Democrat. quote

"John Zogby is a Democrat as I am sure Conanson knows"


Secondly, in the Jerusalem Post of April 23, 1999,
'
Hillel Kuttler writes:

"In a article published in the Washington Post Report on Middle East Affairs-Oct/Nov. 1998, Zogby ( the son of Jim Zogby) charged that Israel resembles the former South African Aparthed regime."

"Jim Zogby(John's brother, who works as a senior analyst for Zogby International Polling and is also the President of the Arab American League) condemned the campaign against his son as "McCarthyism"


and last but not least and apparently unknown to Mumajuana.

A report from the NATIONAL COUNCIL ON PUBLIC POLLS

An analysis on the 2002 Polls


Number of Polls taken by Zogby International-

17

Average Error- 2.5%

Number of polls choosing the wrong winner by Zogby International- 5



Number of Polls by Gallup-7

Average Error- 1.4%

Number of polls choosing the wrong winner by Gallup- 0

None

Zip


Now, Mumajuana is invited to read the results of that Poll.

I have sent for the Zogby International Poll results and on the basis of their 2.5% error and the fact that they PICKED THE WRONG WINNER 5 TIMES, I have removed Charmin from the outhouse and am replacing it with the obviously useless Zogby results.

It is amazing that Mumajuana can write and write and be so wrong and wrong.

italioperco ..... youa shoulda goa awaya ..... alla yu want isa trouble

geligesti:

Dear sir or madame, as the case may be.

Do you find my response to Mamajuana Silly?

If you do, please let me know why you think it is silly?

Do you find my response, which has been documented. I invented none of it, especially the section which quotes the NATIONAL COUNCIL ON PUBLIC POLLS.

You are invited to look that up to see if I did not report it correctly.


It is my OPINION that your comment "youa shoulda goa awaya" is "silly" and falls into the category of an ethnic slur(I am sorry to tell you that I am not Italian and that my moniker derives from other sources).

I would hope that Mr. Craven would note your "silly" and "politically incorrect" slur.

However, I am of the OPINION that your invitation to me indicates that you, for one, are only comfortable in a setting were no one disagrees with you( using appropriate evidence, of course).

So much for the first amendment!!!!

The First Amendment has nothing to do with this site (privately owned and operated).

And just because I think your posts have, at times, been silly doesn't indicate an obligation I have in agreeing with you on what posts you find silly or making a point to mention all the posts I might deem as such.

so what's the source of your funny name if its not Italy?