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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:11 am
sofia

For god sake girl. Read DiIulio's letter... http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2002/021202_mfe_diiulio_1.html

What amount of evidence might it take for you and others here to face some ugly truths about this administration? It is simply mind-boggling - and no small cause for despair - that revelation after revelation of deceit and manipulation, of incompetence and conflicts of interest, is met with your species of denial. Normally, I'd just shake my head, feel sorry for Americans like yourself, but shrug and resign myself to some less than satisfactory "Well, I guess they deserve the fellow."

But the rest of the world does NOT deserve this fellow. The majority of Brits believe the man is deeply dangerous, as does the majority of the rest of the world. It is only inside the cocoon of back-slapping, grandiose American national mythology and self-delusion where one sees this sort of cowardly inability to be honest about these matters which are the subject of this thread.

Stuffed full of faith, you guys could go sailing your bus off a cliff edge and the only thing you'd find remarkable is that the folks still back up on the road are cursing your drunk bus driver.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:14 am
Why don't you blame the bombers and murderers for Istanbul, Turkey...?
You act as though terrorists weren't already having a hey day globally, before Bush arrived on the scene. Now that he is addressing them and their thuggery, you want to shift blame for what they do to Bush...?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:15 am
Brand X wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
What luck for rulers that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler


I'll just throw out Adolf Hitler's name, because in my mind once I do that, it is the end all-be all to any argument, and it absolves me of any further thinking or reasoning beyond my narrow scope, because I am man therefor I do not think.

Gelisgeti


Was this an attempt at forgery? If so at least spell my name correctly ..... THINK!
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:18 am
Blatham--
Funny for you to suggest denial...
I'll read the article and respond when you admit you were wrong about Bush attending servces for KIA.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:33 am
did not jump all over them for media purposes. I could cite a dozen such examples of his dignity and personal goodness.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:51 am
sofia

I linked that article precisely because of the mix of notions which DiIulio clearly has about Bush and the team around him. Read it ALL and read it clearly.

Please try to get your noggin around the difference between an attendance at a Brit ceremony and doing so at an American ceremony - that's the point.

As regards terrorist attacks...they are not in decline under this adminstration's watch, they are in ascention in frequency and lethality. You think that will improve. In agreement with you are the other people in your bus.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:52 am
Sofia wrote:
Why don't you blame the bombers and murderers for Istanbul, Turkey...?
You act as though terrorists weren't already having a hey day globally, before Bush arrived on the scene. Now that he is addressing them and their thuggery, you want to shift blame for what they do to Bush...?


Bravo, Sofia! You forgot we're also to blame for opium being grown in Afghanistan.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:52 am
sofia

I linked that article precisely because of the mix of notions which DiIulio clearly has about Bush and the team around him. Read it ALL and read it clearly.

Please try to get your noggin around the difference between an attendance at a Brit ceremony and doing so at an American ceremony - that's the point.

As regards terrorist attacks...they are not in decline under this adminstration's watch, they are in ascention in frequency and lethality. You think that will improve. In agreement with you are the other people in your bus.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:58 am
Try to get your noggin' around this one, blatham.
You've been pantsed twice. Pure and simple.
Trot out some integrity, and cop to it. Chuckle and pull your pants up.

Bush has attended services.
DiIulio's piece could be used as PR copy. The title could be:
Bush is incredibly good, but not perfect.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:01 am
This is pathetic.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:04 am
Beyond ..... approaching 'but but but but'
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:07 am
It certainly is, but I'm holding out hope for him--Hoping he can muster the fortitude to say that he was wrong, and that it is as obvious to him as it is to everyone else that Bush did indeed attended services. I would appreciate it, as well, if he could agree Bush does not have horns.

I must ask, however, that you not be so hard on blatham. He rarely becomes entangled in his own traps. Nobody's perfect. This, he has in common with Bush. :wink:
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:10 am
But but but but, Sofia, it's best to let emotions trump reasoning.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:12 am
You must know I meant you, Sofia. Your arguments are wearing thin. Blatham has the good grace to present facts and explanations; you're just clinging to the edge of an eroding cliff.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:14 am
Watch very closely, at no time do my hands leave my arms!
Abracabra ....... nope still a coke sniffin alchy
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:14 am
Tartarin wrote:
You must know I meant you, Sofia. Your arguments are wearing thin. Blatham has the good grace to present facts and explanations; you're just clinging to the edge of an eroding cliff.


He presented a lie, and a guy's opinion. Your blind allegience, with no supporting evidence is wearing thin.

Back it up.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:17 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
Watch very closely, at no time do my hands leave my arms!
Abracabra ....... nope still a coke sniffin alchy

We have a number of recovered alcoholics in this community. Do you consign them the same inability to get over their addiction?

How about addressing the issue? Bush did attend services, and the DiIulio piece was mild. Care to refute it? With facts... or just throw out another meaningless, unsupported blurb?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:25 am
Those people are not the topic of this conversation ......

However ...

Quote:
May 9, 2003
G.W. Bush:
Drunk on Power

by SAM HAMOD and ELAINE CASSEL

The president he got his wars
folks don't know just what it's for;
No one gives us a rhyme or reason
have one doubt they call it treason.

Eugene McDaniels
"Compared to What?"


An addicted brain is a changed brain. When you ingest a substance like alcohol, cocaine, or nicotine, your brain recognizes those substances as dopamine. These substances "bind" to dopamine receptors in the brain. Dopamine is also released every time you do something pleasurable. But you get your dopamine kicks, so to speak, in a different way from your friend. Your friend may get a jolt from winning a tennis match; you might get it from accomplishing some task at the office.

Dopamine is the brain chemical (neurochemical) that produces the "high," the sense of satisfaction and well-being that you think came from the alcohol or the pleasurable activity. The little-known secret, demonstrated amply by recent neuroscience, is that that "feel-good" state actually arises from the dopamine. The person continues to use the substance because he is trying to feel normal. But he (or she) cannot feel normal without the substance-or a substitute. That is why people recovering from one substance addiction often choose a substitute-recovering alcoholics are notorious smokers, for instance. They are replacing alcohol with nicotine, because nicotine also binds to the brain's dopamine receptors. But the more they do it, the more they have to do it. Why? To try to feel normal. The brain is not making the stuff anymore, or making little of it, and they have to help it along by continuing substance use or activities that cause great pleasure.

What does this explanation of the brain's dopamine system have to do with President G.W. Bush?

George Bush is an alcoholic. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, according to neuroscientists. Bush's brain was changed by his substance use. And his brain did not return to its "normal" or predrinking state after he stopped drinking. Proof positive of that is that he is showing signs of a new addiction-an addiction to power. (See Katherine Van Wormer's prescient piece in CounterPunch: Dry Drunk Syndrome and George W. Bush, from October, 2002.)

He has gone from being a drunk, to being drunk on power. Iraq, rather than cooling his addiction, fueled it. As he said on the aircraft carrier, Abraham Lincoln, off the "perilous" coast of San Diego, "This is but ONE victory." He implied there will be more victories; thus, he will need more conquests to feed this new addiction to power.


REST OF ARTICLE
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:29 am
Sofia wrote:
Try to get your noggin' around this one, blatham.
You've been pantsed twice. Pure and simple.
Trot out some integrity, and cop to it. Chuckle and pull your pants up.

Bush has attended services.
DiIulio's piece could be used as PR copy. The title could be:
Bush is incredibly good, but not perfect.


You broughth up the issue of Bush's goodness did you not?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:34 am
Gel, you reach so far only to grasp, well, grasp but return with nothing. Not to mention insutling anyone on this forum who has been addicted to drugs or alchohol, and there are some here.
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