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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:38 pm
Good point, but wrong Spock, Kara. Both of 'em said a lot of unforgetable things. :wink:


I believe The Current Administration feels comfortable with the anticipated progress of Indigenous Iraqi Security. I also anticipate that the autonomy of Iraq's own security will be evolutionary, over a long period of training, support, oversight, and guidance. There will be significant US military presence in Iraq for decades.

I perceive now that The US is facing a PR war in Iraq, and I suspect Al Queda and Freinds may have the means and intent to undertake another campaign, perhaps in Europe rather than The US, perhaps in both, perhaps the Gulf Region. The time is propitious, by their calendar. My personal guess is a hieghtened potential for international terrorist activity will exist from now right on through our own Year-End Holiday Season. Their audience demands it.

I also see that the militarily insignificant but enthusiastically, even if legitimately, objectively and accurately, reported activities of the Iraqi insurgents cannot but embolden and impart urgency to the international terrorist types. I am furious that a third helicopter, let alone one carrying command personnel was in a position to be taken down by a shoulder-launched missile in a two week period, within a narrowly defined geographic area. The guy with the missle tube can be given a much tougher job without much operationally significant adjustment. All casuaties are undesireable. Casualties due to operational incompetence are intolerable. At the very least, I expect flightplans will be altered appropriately, and that effective cover be provided aircraft in known or suspected high-threat areas. We don't need to make it easy for the other guy. I would very much like to see a career or two inconvenienced by the stupidity of such a tactical error. I doubt that will happen. We'd better not see any more avoidable downings.

There, see, I'm not all hope and optimism, either.
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:44 pm
Oh. That Spock.

I am reading all you wrote. I am worriedly with you.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:46 pm
A repeat post ....

Quote:

Claim: Former President George Bush wrote that trying to eliminate Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War in 1991 would have "incurred incalculable human and political costs."
Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]


In his memoirs, A World Transformed, written more than five years ago, George Bush, Sr. wrote the following to explain why he didn't go after Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War:

"Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

If only his son could read.


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pistoff
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:50 pm
Follow orders and shudup.
Your constant defense of the Neo-con Fascists was a build up to my suspicion and that little comment finalizes my feeling that you are a Right Wing Fascist. Am I incorrect?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:53 pm
pistoff

No, timber isn't as you describe. Timber is merely a conservative, a Republican, and a fan of Bush and this administation. He is partisan, which his arguments demonstrate, but that's not against the rules. I happen to think he is too partisan, and thus a bit myopic to a choo choo train stuffed to bursting with bad news, but that's about all we can lay on timber in the negative category.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:58 pm
I've tried to apply the same respect to Timber's posts, Blatham, but I'm afraid it no longer works.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:00 pm
I will say timber is passionate in his misguided beliefs. My favorite rt. winger. Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:06 pm
and he's so good at putting fancy words together. Wink
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:12 pm
Holy **** .... if this is true WHOA!

Quote:
Bush's reckless rush to war
NYT Saturday, November 8, 2003
To appreciate the significance of James Risen's article in Thursday's New York Times (IHT, Nov. 7) about an 11th-hour Iraqi peace offer last March, it helps to think back to that period. For months the Bush administration had been arguing that the only hope of disarming Baghdad was to steadily ratchet up the threat of an imminent American invasion. Only at that point, Washington asserted, might Saddam Hussein yield to the demands of repeated UN Security Council disarmament resolutions.
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The article shows that such reasoning may well have been sound. With American forces massed and ready to invade, the Iraqis suddenly expressed interest in meeting their obligations. Yet the article also shows that the administration seems not to have been serious about the idea of a coerced but peaceful solution at the very moment it may have been a realistic possibility.
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The offer described in the article was conveyed to the Pentagon by a Lebanese-American businessman who said he had been sent by the chief of Iraq's Intelligence Service. The Iraqi message was that Baghdad no longer had any unconventional weapons and that it was willing to let American troops and experts conduct a search to prove this. The envoy also conveyed an offer to turn over a suspect in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and relayed an Iraqi pledge to hold elections.
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By March, Washington's military and political preparations for war were complete. The Bush administration was then showing little patience for diplomacy or anything else that might delay what it envisioned as a swift and easy military triumph, with jubilant Iraqis cheering American troops, a model Middle Eastern democracy rising in Baghdad, reconstruction paid for by Iraqi oil revenue and no lengthy military occupation.
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Iraq has not worked out as planned in the last seven months. As President George W. Bush frankly acknowledged Thursday, a democratic outcome is still far from assured. Yet even without resorting to hindsight, the Bush administration can be faulted for not making more of an effort to determine whether a satisfactory resolution of the weapons issue might have been achieved without war. Put differently, Washington should have put to the test its own words about using the threat of force to coerce concessions.
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With crucial details unexplored, there is no way of knowing whether war could or should have been avoided, or indeed whether the offer was genuine or what kind of inspections would have been allowed. Any last-minute offer might have been unacceptable, particularly if it meant leaving Saddam's Baathist torturers in power. Yet surely Washington should have made the effort to learn more.
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Administration supporters were fond of saying at the time that there were things Bush officials knew but could not share with the public. Little did we imagine that among those things was an offer that might have provided a way to avoid the war.

< < Back to Start of Article To appreciate the significance of James Risen's article in Thursday's New York Times (IHT, Nov. 7) about an 11th-hour Iraqi peace offer last March, it helps to think back to that period. For months the Bush administration had been arguing that the only hope of disarming Baghdad was to steadily ratchet up the threat of an imminent American invasion. Only at that point, Washington asserted, might Saddam Hussein yield to the demands of repeated UN Security Council disarmament resolutions.
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The article shows that such reasoning may well have been sound. With American forces massed and ready to invade, the Iraqis suddenly expressed interest in meeting their obligations. Yet the article also shows that the administration seems not to have been serious about the idea of a coerced but peaceful solution at the very moment it may have been a realistic possibility.
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The offer described in the article was conveyed to the Pentagon by a Lebanese-American businessman who said he had been sent by the chief of Iraq's Intelligence Service. The Iraqi message was that Baghdad no longer had any unconventional weapons and that it was willing to let American troops and experts conduct a search to prove this. The envoy also conveyed an offer to turn over a suspect in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and relayed an Iraqi pledge to hold elections.
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By March, Washington's military and political preparations for war were complete. The Bush administration was then showing little patience for diplomacy or anything else that might delay what it envisioned as a swift and easy military triumph, with jubilant Iraqis cheering American troops, a model Middle Eastern democracy rising in Baghdad, reconstruction paid for by Iraqi oil revenue and no lengthy military occupation.
.
Iraq has not worked out as planned in the last seven months. As President George W. Bush frankly acknowledged Thursday, a democratic outcome is still far from assured. Yet even without resorting to hindsight, the Bush administration can be faulted for not making more of an effort to determine whether a satisfactory resolution of the weapons issue might have been achieved without war. Put differently, Washington should have put to the test its own words about using the threat of force to coerce concessions.
.
With crucial details unexplored, there is no way of knowing whether war could or should have been avoided, or indeed whether the offer was genuine or what kind of inspections would have been allowed. Any last-minute offer might have been unacceptable, particularly if it meant leaving Saddam's Baathist torturers in power. Yet surely Washington should have made the effort to learn more.
.
Administration supporters were fond of saying at the time that there were things Bush officials knew but could not share with the public. Little did we imagine that among those things was an offer that might have provided a way to avoid the war. To appreciate the significance of James Risen's article in Thursday's New York Times (IHT, Nov. 7) about an 11th-hour Iraqi peace offer last March, it helps to think back to that period. For months the Bush administration had been arguing that the only hope of disarming Baghdad was to steadily ratchet up the threat of an imminent American invasion. Only at that point, Washington asserted, might Saddam Hussein yield to the demands of repeated UN Security Council disarmament resolutions.
.
The article shows that such reasoning may well have been sound. With American forces massed and ready to invade, the Iraqis suddenly expressed interest in meeting their obligations. Yet the article also shows that the administration seems not to have been serious about the idea of a coerced but peaceful solution at the very moment it may have been a realistic possibility.
.
The offer described in the article was conveyed to the Pentagon by a Lebanese-American businessman who said he had been sent by the chief of Iraq's Intelligence Service. The Iraqi message was that Baghdad no longer had any unconventional weapons and that it was willing to let American troops and experts conduct a search to prove this. The envoy also conveyed an offer to turn over a suspect in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and relayed an Iraqi pledge to hold elections.
.
By March, Washington's military and political preparations for war were complete. The Bush administration was then showing little patience for diplomacy or anything else that might delay what it envisioned as a swift and easy military triumph, with jubilant Iraqis cheering American troops, a model Middle Eastern democracy rising in Baghdad, reconstruction paid for by Iraqi oil revenue and no lengthy military occupation.
.
Iraq has not worked out as planned in the last seven months. As President George W. Bush frankly acknowledged Thursday, a democratic outcome is still far from assured. Yet even without resorting to hindsight, the Bush administration can be faulted for not making more of an effort to determine whether a satisfactory resolution of the weapons issue might have been achieved without war. Put differently, Washington should have put to the test its own words about using the threat of force to coerce concessions.
.
With crucial details unexplored, there is no way of knowing whether war could or should have been avoided, or indeed whether the offer was genuine or what kind of inspections would have been allowed. Any last-minute offer might have been unacceptable, particularly if it meant leaving Saddam's Baathist torturers in power. Yet surely Washington should have made the effort to learn more.
.
Administration supporters were fond of saying at the time that there were things Bush officials knew but could not share with the public. Little did we imagine that among those things was an offer that might have provided a way to avoid the war. To appreciate the significance of James Risen's article in Thursday's New York Times (IHT, Nov. 7) about an 11th-hour Iraqi peace offer last March, it helps to think back to that period. For months the Bush administration had been arguing that the only hope of disarming Baghdad was to steadily ratchet up the threat of an imminent American invasion. Only at that point, Washington asserted, might Saddam Hussein yield to the demands of repeated UN Security Council disarmament resolutions.
.
The article shows that such reasoning may well have been sound. With American forces massed and ready to invade, the Iraqis suddenly expressed interest in meeting their obligations. Yet the article also shows that the administration seems not to have been serious about the idea of a coerced but peaceful solution at the very moment it may have been a realistic possibility.
.
The offer described in the article was conveyed to the Pentagon by a Lebanese-American businessman who said he had been sent by the chief of Iraq's Intelligence Service. The Iraqi message was that Baghdad no longer had any unconventional weapons and that it was willing to let American troops and experts conduct a search to prove this. The envoy also conveyed an offer to turn over a suspect in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and relayed an Iraqi pledge to hold elections.



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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:14 pm
LOL ... thanks, to both of you, blatham and Gel. You guys are at the top of my list too, Lefties or not. :wink:
Tart, I enjoy you a lot too. Imagine how angry you'd get if I told you you were cute when you got angry Twisted Evil Laughing :wink:

Oh, and pistof ... while I'm certainly no Bush-Basher; he pisses me off sometimes too ... but a whole lot less than his predecessor ever did.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:29 pm
More info ........ got 200 hits on webferet

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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:44 pm
I'm convinced, Bush did not want peace.

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Iraq-US secretly tried to avert war
From correspondents in Washington
November 06, 2003

IRAQIS and Americans secretly tried last February to avoid war in Iraq through negotiations mediated by a Lebanese businessman, US media reported overnight.

ABC News reported the secret meeting involved a Lebanese-American businessman and Iraqi intelligence officials and came just days after Secretary of State Colin Powell laid out the US case for war at the United Nations in February.

Imad Hage, the president of the American Underwriters Group insurance company and known in the region as having contacts at the Pentagon, told the US television network that he was first approached by an Iraqi intelligence official who arrived unannounced at his office in Beirut.

A week later, according to Hage, he and an associate were asked to come to Baghdad, when Hage says he met with Saddam Hussein's chief of intelligence, General Tahir Habbush, who is still of the US military's most wanted list.

:Based on my meeting with his man," said Hage, "I think an effort was there to avert war. They were prepared to meet with high-ranking US officials."






Hage said Habbush repeated public denials by the regime that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and offered to allow several thousand US agents or scientists to carry out inspections, according to ABC News.

Hage said Habbush also offered UN-supervised free elections, oil concessions to US companies and was prepared to turn over a top al-Qaeda terrorist, Abdul Rahman Yasin, who Habbush said had been in Iraqi custody since 1994.

According to Newsweek magazine, the initiative never went anywhere in part because Hage was detained at Washington's Dulles International Airport on suspicions that he was trying to smuggle weapons out of the country.

US Customs inspectors discovered an undeclared semiautomatic .45 calibre pistol and four stun guns in his luggage, the weekly said. They also found he was carrying the business card of Pentagon official Jaymie Durnan.

Although he was questioned by FBI agents, Hage was allowed to board a plane home to Lebanon because he was carrying a Liberian diplomatic passport.

Pentagon adviser Richard Perle told the magazine that he had several meetings with Hage last year "on a variety of issues" but added that he did not take the Iraqi peace overture "very seriously".



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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:50 pm
I believe the key points in the "Peace Offer" issue are that:

1) Saddam and the Ba'ath Party were presented the non-negotiable options of either turning over power and exiting Iraq or facing military expulsion "With extreme prejudice".

2) Any other course proposed by Iraq amounted to an attempt to negotiate advantage within a non-negotiable demand; what was called for was compliance, not meetings.

3) The Iraqi Regime's credibility was non-existant, as the Iraqi's had engaged in "a decade of evasions and deceptions", as the article observes.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 11:46 pm
The real reason.
Now we hear the real reason from Shrubby which is the spread of Democracy throughout the ME with Iraq being the 1st country. Wolfowitz has stated that a few times. He also said that the WMD presence, specifically Nukes and hints that Saddam was involved in the 911 Attacks and had ties to Al Q. was more compelling than the "real" reason. The West has been dealing and supporting all of the Kings of the ME but now the dream is to turn the Kingdoms into Democracies. Dream on Neo cons. Rolling Eyes
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 12:50 am
I believe the forces of evil ( the Bush administration) want democracy in the ME about as much as folks in Greenland want air conditioners. Confused
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 03:51 am
Tartarin wrote:
I've tried to apply the same respect to Timber's posts, Blatham, but I'm afraid it no longer works.


That's because you seem incapable of respecting people who voice ideology you disagree with.

That is one reason respect for your posts, even among people who share your ideology, steadily decreases. Unlike people like Blatham, who are able to differentiate between a difference in ideology and demonization of the ideologically opposed you set your sights on any who consistently voice a diametrically opposite ideology and seek to demonize them.

To me, even your subsequent demonization of those who call you on this is more honest.

Heck there are many reasons to be irritated by Timber, the main one being that he is conservative and has the indecency of not being apologetic about it. He'll sometimes sound downright pleased that his ideology is doing better in the chess match that is US politics and that's so similar to the feeling I'd like to have at having my way that it can get on my nerves too.

But to call him a fascist (much in the way you call me a fascist) is dishonest. If Bush loses the next election (which I am resignedly writing off as a loss in my column) I will be very pleased and might have difficulty not appearing smug. I might even have what some call a "**** eating grin" plastered on my face for a week or two.

I'd probably irritate the hell out of people whose ideology lost that particular match simply because of my pleasure at my ideology being the victor.

Timber is a conservative, but nobody is perfect. And to call people fascists merely because they are not a 'self-hating' conservative with solid plans on becoming liberal is dishonest.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 05:02 am
A personal note.
Well,sorta since I know you, timber, only through your writing here. I don't have a problem with you being a conservative. I do like to debate with conservatives and others of different views than mine. We all have the right to our views and you do for the most part back up your positions. What rankled me was the "Obey orders and shutup" remark. That did strike me as being Fascist in nature. Yes, the Military is authoritarian and top down mgmt. yet there are still rules of law and ethics.

I just wanted to clear that up. I won't bring it up again because I have no desire to get into personal flame wars here.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 06:38 am
One thing you can count on from this administration is propaganda ........

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Nation





Posted on Thu, Nov. 06, 2003
Jessica Lynch says Pentagon used her for propaganda
BY CORKY SIEMASZKO
New York Daily News

(KRT) - Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda.

The 20-year-old private, portrayed as a female Rambo after she was captured by Iraqis during a blazing gun battle and then freed by American troops, told ABC there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed.

"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," Lynch said in an interview with Diane Sawyer that airs Tuesday, Veterans Day.

"Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said.

That footage of U.S. commandos wheeling a grimacing Lynch to a waiting chopper was among the most dramatic of the war - and helped cement her image as a female warrior.

But Lynch said the true heroes were the soldiers who saved her.

"They're the ones that came in to rescue me," she said. "I'm so thankful that they did what they did; they risked their lives. … They are my heroes."

She also disputed the Pentagon's early version of her capture by Iraqis, which suggested she had heroically defended herself - going down only after firing all her ammo.

Lynch says her M-16 jammed and she never got off a shot.

"My weapon did jam and I did not shoot, not a round, nothing," she said simply.

There was no immediate response from the Pentagon, which awarded Lynch a Purple Heart for her injuries.

ABC released excerpts of Lynch's first television interview yesterday after the Daily News obtained a copy of Lynch's authorized biography and revealed its most shocking secret - that she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

She has no memory of the rape. The book says there was a three-hour gap after her capture, a blank in her mind, during which she was assaulted.

"Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she told Sawyer.

Lynch said she was awakened from her stupor by searing pain.

"I seriously thought I was going to be paralyzed for the rest of my life," she told ABC.

The young soldier said at first she did not trust her Iraqi doctors - and tried to stifle her screams.

Trapped in her bed, Lynch said, she tried to tame her terror by thinking about her family, her fiance, Sgt. Ruben Contreras, and her G.I. buddy Lori Piestewa.

After she was rescued, she learned Piestewa was dead.

In her book, "I Am a Soldier, Too," author Rick Bragg says the scars on Lynch's body and medical records indicate she was anally raped, and he tells the reader to "fill in the blanks of what Jessi lived through on the morning of March 23, 2003."

Lynch says her unit was sent into battle armed only with M-16s - no grenades or anti-tank weapons - and in lumbering trucks that could not keep up with the convoy barreling toward Baghdad.

When the trucks in her unit tried to catch up, radio contact with the main convoy was lost - and so were they.

She was filled with foreboding.

"Jessi's fear of being left behind was beginning to come true," Bragg wrote.

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© 2003, New York Daily News.

Visit the Daily News online at http://www.nydailynews.com

Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.




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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 06:56 am
On the topic whether conservatives and liberals can have mutual respect, I have to add that even though I generally take the leftist tack, to radical degrees at times, I owe a great deal of my way of thinking to a conservative. Philip Wylie is one of my all time favorite people, even though he detested the actions of people like myself in the Vietnam protest days. It is the actions of current people calling themselves conservative that gets me so upset. They disregard even their own stated principles in the quest for power and global dominance. I believe they are leaving the common American to fend for himself while they export so many of our best jobs to sweatshop nations. I believe the nature of the so-called war on terrorism is aimed at consolidating their (not necessarily America's) wealth and power, having nothing at heart for the Iraqi people, except in a public relations kind of way. I believe that liberal/conservative, when people are on an even keel, are complimentary notions, but that people have not been on an even keel very often at any time in history.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2003 07:21 am
These goals espoused by a more trustworthy leader ..... by a man with less clouded vision .......... a leader that is not led .......... who knows?


Quote:
THE MESSOPOTAMIAN
TO BRING ONE MORE IRAQI VOICE OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD

Friday, November 07, 2003
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (In the Name of God the Most Mercifull)

Hi everybody,

We the Iraqis, find ourselves in the midst of a great turning point in human history. This is no dramatisation, no exaggeration. But if you make even a cursory perusal of the 6000 years or so history of Messopotamia, you will find that this, strangely, is the fate of this particular spot on the earth. Let us not get bogged in the confusing and painful details at this particular time and look at the essence of the matter.

Jolted and shocked by the events of September 11, the United States of America, the greatest and most powerful politico-economic power that humanity has ever known has realised that the advanced and rich western world can no longer ignore the plight of the poorer and underdeveloped world. Those "nation states", who have totally failed the test of self determination and self goverment, and degenerated into obscurantism, sectarianism, tribalism, and all the other isms of hell, pose a mortal danger, both to the people unfortunate to live there and to the Western civilisation itself. More so since the technical complexity of the advanced world render it particularly vulnerable. The danger is real, oh so real! Anybody doubting this is living in a fools paradise.

So Action was decided upon. Action to change the situation in this twilight zone ( c.f. George Orwel - 1984 ), action to bring the values and standards enjoyed by the prosperous world to these places, by force if necessary, by example preferably. And action was taken. this in a nutshell. Let who may tear their hair off. Let them protest until their lungs puncture and shout until their throats bleed. This is it. It is like all great movements in history, characterised by singlemindedness and overpowering impulse. The old style of european imperialism, which aimed at exploitation, cheap raw materials, and keeping people backward and in a state of peasant low existance, has gone and is no longer suitable for the world. A globalised world where every body can enjoy the freedoms and benefits taken for granted by the "advanced" world. This is liberal neo-imperialism. Is it eutopean, is it unrealisable ? I don't know the answer. But the campaign is already under way.

Years ago, in my earlier youth, had I heard somebody talking like this, my hair would have stood on end, I would have been thrown into a fit of rage enough to give me heart attack. But years of suffering, years ground to dust and wasted living under a system which had hardly anything right in it, atavism which took us back to a moral state comparable to that that existed even before the reforms of Islam fifteen centuries ago, have finally brought me to this forlorn conclusion: that perhaps it is better this way - perhaps that really, salvation lies herein.

Caution to the wind. Consider this: if the U.S. tommorrow announces that anybody willing to come to its land would be given the "Green Card" immediately with no further question, how many people do you think would stand in line? Answer this question if you dare ? Why if Western values are so bad and so terrible would you find Muslim, Hindu, Buddist, and every colour and every breed standing in that hypothetical line, in their billions ?

But America cannot take in the entire humanity, so america decides to go to them instead.

Fool, romantic, freak, say what you may. Romantics have always shaped history.

Caution to the wind, caution to the wind.

"Thus Spake the Ordinary Man" - Long Live the Blogging Revolution.

Salam Alaykum




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