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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:17 am
The question is, who did the terrorist expect to show the passport to?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:31 am
Take a close look at Syria's relationship with the US since the onset of the Bush imperium and note how consist the efforts have been on the part of the admin to build a case against Syria out of the same materials the admin uses to create enemies...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:36 am
Tartarin wrote:
Take a close look at Syria's relationship with the US since the onset of the Bush imperium and note how consist the efforts have been on the part of the admin to build a case against Syria out of the same materials the admin uses to create enemies...


Are you implying the passport was planted on the guy to further implicate Syria as an "axis of evil" member state? That's sure what it sounds like you are implying...
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:51 am
No. I wasn't referring to the passport, McG. I like LW's logic though, and think LW has a real point.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:53 am
Lightwizard wrote:
The question is, who did the terrorist expect to show the passport to?


Maybe the border gaurd to get in and out of syria...
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:54 am
I have border gourds in my guarden.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:54 am
Lightwizard wrote:
The question is, who did the terrorist expect to show the passport to?

Anyone who confronts him with an official request for identification. "Your papers, please" is a real common conversation opener in that part of the world, ya know.
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the prince
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:55 am
Well, if he was a suicide bomber, then getting "in" Syria really did not matter - did it ?

And if there is a Syrian guard at the checkpost where he can cross into Iraq, are you saying that there wasno one on the same checkpost in Iraq ? Sounds pretty implausible to me...
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:56 am
A new rational for the war .... end the proliferation of PSP's and make the world a safer place.

< people with Syrian passports >
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the prince
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:57 am
Or ask the Syrian president to stop issuing passports Twisted Evil
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 10:58 am
OF course, that's what suicide bombers commonly do. Hang out publicly where they'll get asked for their papers and make absolutely sure they're carrying cause-betraying ID when they do their suicide run. Yup. Timber, you've got all the intelligence of the CIA!!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 11:16 am
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/msgfromgod72.jpg
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 11:24 am
Quote:
Saudi fighters 'join resistance' in Iraq


By Shaista Aziz

Tuesday 28 October 2003, 19:43 Makka Time, 16:43 GMT


mujahedin fighters are launching attacks in Iraq


A leading Saudi dissident says thousands of fighters from the kingdom are embroiled in attacks against American occupation soldiers in Iraq.


Dr Muhammad al-Massari, a political activist living in exile in London has told Aljazeera.net that resistance attacks in Iraq will continue to escalate in Baghdad.

''There are around 5000 mujahidin fighters from Saudi Arabia in Baghdad, and many others joining them from all over the Muslim and Arab world.

"These men have already stepped up their efforts to kick out the American imperialists from Iraq, but what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg'' he said.

Al-Massari claims that the resistance attacks against the American fighters will spread to Saudi Arabia where anti western and Saudi government sentiment is rising.

Calm before the storm

''For the past 10 years Saudi Arabia has been relatively calm, the mujahedin were busy recruiting and training men from as far a field as Chechnya and Kashmir to fight against American aggression in the Muslim world''.

Al-Massari claims that 10 years ago it would have been inconceivable for Muslim fighters to take arms and launch attacks within a Muslim country.

However with Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait allowing American troops to be stationed in their countries, resentment against Arab regimes has increased.

''For the past 10 years Saudi Arabia has been relatively calm, the mujahidin were busy recruting and training men''

Dr Muhammed al-Massari,
Saudi exile


''The resistance fighters had a dilemma in the past when it came to fighting within a Muslim country because of the rules of Sharia (Islamic) law.

"However, as we are seeing in Saudi Arabia itself Muslims are prepared to launch attacks within their own countries''.

Warning

Both the Qatar and London embassies of the Saudi kingdom declined to comment on al-Massari's allegations.

Al-Massari's remarks coincide with the American government issuing warnings that an attack against western interests in the kingdom is imminent.

The warning, which the Americans describe as ''credible'' comes at a time when there is huge discontent amongst the Saudi population against their rulers, the royal family.

Americans have been warned to avoid non-essential travel to the kingdom, and advised citizens to be vigilant in the Persian Gulf region.

Continuation

The Bush administration called on Syria and Iran on Tuesday to take action to stop cross-border infiltration of guerrillas into Iraq.

US military officials say there are signs that foreign fighters were behind the four suicide bombings that killed 35 people and wounded 230 on Monday in Baghdad's bloodiest day since Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

The US administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, said over the weekend that most of the "terrorists" in Iraq were not Iraqis but came from countries such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan.

Border control was a major issue in Iraq, he said, adding that it was very difficult to seal the country's borders.

According to al-Massari, the Saudi Royal family are also targets for the mujahidin fighters who are angry at the Saudi government for ''inviting the Americans on to their holy soil''.

Al-Massari plans to launch a political party in London, calling for reforms in Saudi Arabia.

His group, the Committee for the Defence of Legitimate Rights is keeping a close watch on events unfolding in the region.


Source
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 11:27 am
Tartarin wrote:
OF course, that's what suicide bombers commonly do. Hang out publicly where they'll get asked for their papers and make absolutely sure they're carrying cause-betraying ID when they do their suicide run.

Carrying your passport in that part of the world is about as common as carrying your driver's license here, Tartarin. Just being a foreign national in no way indicates that one may or may not be aligned with a particular cause or profess a given ideology. Being able to produce acceptable identification is the only way to get through the very common interior checkpoints, specifically set up to check such things, apart from crossing borders, and if one is not possessed of indiginous citizenship papers, either valid or cleverly forged, one requires some other means of ID if one wishes either to get on with life or to press a suicide attack. That a non-Iraqi would possess ID confirming that the individual in question is a foreign national is wholly unremarkable.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 12:12 pm
Talk about a smoking gun -- being stopped for interrogation (presuming there is a suspicion) and then producing a Syrian passport? Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 12:56 pm
Hardly, LW ... producing a either a passport or citizenship papers is the only way to avoid detention. It is not illegal to be a non-citizen in Iraq; or in most other places, for that matter. What does create legal difficulties is the inability to provide satisfactory identification on demand from authority, whether you're in Baghdad or Boston or Bombay.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:28 pm
Timber! Honest to god! I've lived in places where you have to produce ID, but you can be damn sure if I were about to suicide bomb a building and didn't want to be identified, I wouldn't be carrying ID linking me to the source I was protecting. Do you think the bomber wanted to be identified as Syrian? And if so, why? I mean, come ON!!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:29 pm
He prolly needed it up to the time of the bombing (because not carrying an ID in some places means you will attract attention) and expected an explosion to render it moot.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:37 pm
Or he could have destroyed it before revving the engine for the final approach. Naw -- I have more faith in the single-mindedness and efficiency of the suicide bombers, I guess, than in our intelligence community. Comes from experience!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:42 pm
Unless you can produce a single instance in which a suicide bomber did that I'd question the experience's validity.

"Efficiency" is in the eyes of the beholder it seems, to me it's just as efficient to keep the ID. Makes no difference either way. That he had a Syrian ID on him made no real difference except that it made for a quicker sound byte.
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