Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

Those white people are so ignorant.

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Gala wrote:

snood wrote:
It's a commentary (a sad, infuriating goddam one, at that) about what is generally considered as unacceptably foul for a public pronouncement and what is considered fair political maneuvering, that demands aren't being made that she apologize for this very insulting "choice of words". Hell, Obama nearly had to publicly chop off a pound of flesh for saying people cling to religion and guns.

I agree. Most white people are unaware of the double standard when it comes to skin color.

Huh?????

You're kidding, right?

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woiyo wrote:

Gala wrote:
snood wrote:
It's a commentary (a sad, infuriating goddam one, at that) about what is generally considered as unacceptably foul for a public pronouncement and what is considered fair political maneuvering, that demands aren't being made that she apologize for this very insulting "choice of words". Hell, Obama nearly had to publicly chop off a pound of flesh for saying people cling to religion and guns.

I agree. Most white people are unaware of the double standard when it comes to skin color.

Huh?????

You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

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Gala wrote:

woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Gala wrote:
woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

Barak Obama makes a comment about poor people clinging to religion and guns and he's under a microscope. Clinton makes a comment about white people and her candidacy and no such scrutiny. I also think she's not under as much pressure because she's losing, nonetheless, it was a dumb comment.

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Gala wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Gala wrote:
woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

Barak Obama makes a comment about poor people clinging to religion and guns and he's under a microscope. Clinton makes a comment about white people and her candidacy and no such scrutiny. I also think she's not under as much pressure because she's losing, nonetheless, it was a dumb comment.

Well, no argument that it was a dumb comment. And while snood identified a double standard (which could be as between Hillary and Obama), you indicated the double standard involved skin color. (Snood could also think it involves skin color, but he didn't express it in those terms.) But you have not identified, as far as I can determine, what you believe to be the nature of the double standard.

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Gala wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Gala wrote:
woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

Barak Obama makes a comment about poor people clinging to religion and guns and he's under a microscope. Clinton makes a comment about white people and her candidacy and no such scrutiny. I also think she's not under as much pressure because she's losing, nonetheless, it was a dumb comment.

Well, no argument that it was a dumb comment. And while snood identified a double standard (which could be as between Hillary and Obama), you indicated the double standard involved skin color. (Snood could also think it involves skin color, but he didn't express it in those terms.) But you have not identified, as far as I can determine, what you believe to be the nature of the double standard.

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

(that's cheating! You're giving it the answer!) :wink:

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bpb jr. and I were in the line at McDonalds saturday... the entire front line was hispanics who obviusly had a limited command of English and things were moving slowly.

A large black woman came to the counter and started immediately berating one of these kids very loudly about being overcharged for a tea... the manager, a caucasian, came to talk to her and calm her down, but to no avail.... she was pissed. He looked at the ticket and she was not to be pacified and you could tell he was out of patience. He finally showed her where actually she owed them and additional 1.29 but he said not to worry about it and walked away.

She continued to berate the counter guy and finally in a voice that could be heard all over the restaurant she stated that in a few months you wouldn't be able to treat black people like that anymore, obviously referencing Obama.

This means nothing in particular except that it was f*cking hilarious and I thought I was going to **** my pants from the effort of not bursting into gales of laughter.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

This means nothing in particular except that it was f*cking hilarious and I thought I was going to **** my pants from the effort of not bursting into gales of laughter.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Gala wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Gala wrote:
woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

Barak Obama makes a comment about poor people clinging to religion and guns and he's under a microscope. Clinton makes a comment about white people and her candidacy and no such scrutiny. I also think she's not under as much pressure because she's losing, nonetheless, it was a dumb comment.

Well, no argument that it was a dumb comment. And while snood identified a double standard (which could be as between Hillary and Obama), you indicated the double standard involved skin color. (Snood could also think it involves skin color, but he didn't express it in those terms.) But you have not identified, as far as I can determine, what you believe to be the nature of the double standard.

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

Comparatively speaking, white people get a pass in today's society.

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Gala wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Gala wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Gala wrote:
woiyo wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I'm not kidding.

Then please articulate the double standard to which you are referring.

Barak Obama makes a comment about poor people clinging to religion and guns and he's under a microscope. Clinton makes a comment about white people and her candidacy and no such scrutiny. I also think she's not under as much pressure because she's losing, nonetheless, it was a dumb comment.

Well, no argument that it was a dumb comment. And while snood identified a double standard (which could be as between Hillary and Obama), you indicated the double standard involved skin color. (Snood could also think it involves skin color, but he didn't express it in those terms.) But you have not identified, as far as I can determine, what you believe to be the nature of the double standard.

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

Comparatively speaking, white people get a pass in today's society.

Huh??? Again, you MUST be kidding.

Tell me how "White People" get a pass in todays society. Just 1 or 2 examples will do.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I think white people, or maybe white male candidates, get the benefit of the doubt with the media. A white candidate would not be hounded into both rejecting and denouncing the verbal endorsement of someone they didn't know at all and whose words/ideas they had already publicly denounced. A white candidate would probably not be asked whether or not they agreed with Harry Belafonte's characterization of George Bush, especially if they didn't know Harry Belafonte. I think that a candidate who does not look like the typical white-anglo-male candidate will be asked to prove their loyalty and love of their country over and above one who does.

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Gala wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

Comparatively speaking, white people get a pass in today's society.

When Rush Limbaugh opined several years ago that Donovan McNabb was overrated and treated with kid gloves because he was black, black leaders asked for his head on a platter, and he was fired by ESPN. The list of white sportscasters, newspersons, talk show hosts, etc., who make similarly dumb racial comments, and whose resignations are promptly demanded by the race merchants Jackson, Sharpton, et al, and who are subsequently fired or sanctioned, is lengthy.

Yet when Dusty Baker stated black ballplayers play better in the heat of the sun, there was no such outcry -- he was not fired. When Bryant Gumble said about the Winter Olympics years ago, that it looked like a GOP Convention because there were so few blacks, and therefore it couldn't have the worlds greatest athletes -- he kept his day job. Michael Irvin commenting about Tony Romo's athletic ability, inferred there must be some black blood lines in his family -- Irvin did not lose his job. The list of black commentators who make similarly dumb racial comments, and who do NOT face public humiliation, outcry, and who did not lose their jobs as a result (including Sharpton and Jackson), is similarly lengthy.

Double standard? It sure seems that way. There is no question we have a long way to go to achieve Dr. King's dream.

And that's all I have to say about that.

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FreeDuck wrote:

I think that a candidate who does not look like the typical white-anglo-male candidate will be asked to prove their loyalty and love of their country over and above one who does.

Yep. As is being demonstrated already ad nauseam...

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FreeDuck wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I think white people, or maybe white male candidates, get the benefit of the doubt with the media. A white candidate would not be hounded into both rejecting and denouncing the verbal endorsement of someone they didn't know at all and whose words/ideas they had already publicly denounced. A white candidate would probably not be asked whether or not they agreed with Harry Belafonte's characterization of George Bush, especially if they didn't know Harry Belafonte. I think that a candidate who does not look like the typical white-anglo-male candidate will be asked to prove their loyalty and love of their country over and above one who does.

I couldn't disagree more.

If Colin Powell, Michael Steel, Kenneth Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Condy Rice, or any other black man or woman ran for President on the GOP ticket we can rest assured they will not be asked to prove their loyalty and love for this country. They may very well be asked to prove their blackness though.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

If Colin Powell, Michael Steel, Kenneth Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Condy Rice, or any other black man or woman ran for President on the GOP ticket we can rest assured they will not be asked to prove their loyalty and love for this country.

I dont share your optimism. The fact that they're part of the Republican party themselves [dont know about Powell] will inoculate them to a significant extent to the worst of this "does he really love his country, who is he really, behind the facade, and can we trust him" stuff, for sure. Republicans are butch, after all, everyone knows that... but they'll still face more of it than any white Republican would, especially if they're only the moderate/pragmatic kind of Republican (Powell, Rice) rather than the true believer kind (Blackwell).

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I think white people, or maybe white male candidates, get the benefit of the doubt with the media. A white candidate would not be hounded into both rejecting and denouncing the verbal endorsement of someone they didn't know at all and whose words/ideas they had already publicly denounced. A white candidate would probably not be asked whether or not they agreed with Harry Belafonte's characterization of George Bush, especially if they didn't know Harry Belafonte. I think that a candidate who does not look like the typical white-anglo-male candidate will be asked to prove their loyalty and love of their country over and above one who does.

I couldn't disagree more.

If Colin Powell, Michael Steel, Kenneth Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Condy Rice, or any other black man or woman ran for President on the GOP ticket we can rest assured they will not be asked to prove their loyalty and love for this country. They may very well be asked to prove their blackness though.

If you recall, Obama was asked to prove his blackness. Remember the headlines -- Is He Black Enough? (Oddly enough, Colin Powell is the only other person that Tim Russert ever asked to comment on Belafonte's remarks.) But you raise a point -- if a black person were to run on the GOP ticket his patriotism is less likely to be questioned. Why is that?

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FreeDuck wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:

Do you think white people get a pass in today's society, or with the media?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I think white people, or maybe white male candidates, get the benefit of the doubt with the media. A white candidate would not be hounded into both rejecting and denouncing the verbal endorsement of someone they didn't know at all and whose words/ideas they had already publicly denounced. A white candidate would probably not be asked whether or not they agreed with Harry Belafonte's characterization of George Bush, especially if they didn't know Harry Belafonte. I think that a candidate who does not look like the typical white-anglo-male candidate will be asked to prove their loyalty and love of their country over and above one who does.

I couldn't disagree more.

If Colin Powell, Michael Steel, Kenneth Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Condy Rice, or any other black man or woman ran for President on the GOP ticket we can rest assured they will not be asked to prove their loyalty and love for this country. They may very well be asked to prove their blackness though.

If you recall, Obama was asked to prove his blackness. Remember the headlines -- Is He Black Enough? (Oddly enough, Colin Powell is the only other person that Tim Russert ever asked to comment on Belafonte's remarks.) But you raise a point -- if a black person were to run on the GOP ticket his patriotism is less likely to be questioned. Why is that?

Maybe, Democrats are racists

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Right, that explains why they wouldn't ask a GOP black candidate to prove their loyalty and patriotism.

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FreeDuck wrote:

But you raise a point -- if a black person were to run on the GOP ticket his patriotism is less likely to be questioned. Why is that?

Because everyone knows that Democrats are spineless pinko commies! Razz

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