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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2008 05:48 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
nimh wrote:
Is Hillary really using every damn dirty trick from the Rove playbook?


A Democrat appears to have engaged in dirty election tricks, and all leftists can do is blame a Republican.

Typical.


LOL!
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2008 05:57 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
A Democrat appears to have engaged in dirty election tricks, and all leftists can do is blame a Republican.

Typical.

Hey, it's you guys who set the bar.

And you set it pretty damn high.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 05:50 pm
No particular message to go with this copy/paste; I thought it was just an interesting, evocative portrait of Hillary The Scrapper.

It's fairly pro-Hillary on balance, if for nothing else because of how it does enshrine this image of "Hillary The Scrapper," which is exactly the image the Hillary campaign wants to get across.

A couple of sentences had me muttering: for example (not included below) where it says, "She is also quick to recognize when [people] become liabilities and is ready to cast them aside when necessary. Both friends and critics of Mrs. Clinton said she would never have engaged in the long struggle that Mr. Obama did before finally breaking with his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr."

Um, hello, how long did she wait with casting Solis Doyle aside? That loyal campaign manager of hers who totally messed up on the campaign's finances, both in NY and now, and by many accounts was an insular, petty, ineffective team manager? Or what about Mark bloody Penn, the PR disaster whom she let enmesh imself so deeply into the campaign operations that she couldnt properly ditch him now even if she wanted? If anything Hillary has a reputation for valuing loyalty and devotion to the camp over actual managerial capacities, and for holding on to people long after they are clearly shown to be in over their head.

But overall, it's certainly an evocative portrait, that very clearly lays out what's driving both her campaign and her enduring popularity among a large part of the Democratic electorate, especially the working class Dem voters.

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Ruthlessness and Grit Seen in Clinton's Style

New York Times

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/05/us/05clinton.xlarge1.jpg
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at a campaign rally on Sunday at Indiana Tech in Fort Wayne.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:33 pm
so much fighting , debating, nastiness, opinion.... tomorrow I will do the one and only thing meaningful I can do... I will vote for Hillary in the primary
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:03 pm
Shades of 1948, and "Give 'em hell Harry"
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:22 pm
The Weekly Standard marvels about just how much Hillary Clinton has become... well, like them:

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She's running a right-wing campaign. She's running the classic Republican race against her opponent, running on toughness and use-of-force issues, the campaign that the elder George Bush ran against Michael Dukakis, that the younger George Bush waged in 2000 and then again against John Kerry, and that Ronald Reagan--"The Bear in the Forest"--ran against Jimmy Carter and Walter F. Mondale. And she's doing it with much the same symbols...

Her ads are like the ones McCain would be running in her place, and they'll doubtless show up in McCain's ads should Obama defeat her. She has said that while she and McCain are both prepared to be president, Obama is not. They act, he makes speeches. They take heat, while he tends to wilt or to faint in the kitchen. He may even throw like a girl.

And better--or worse--she is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush. Against an opponent who shops for arugula, hangs out with ex-Weathermen, and says rural residents cling to guns and to God in unenlightened despair at their circumstances, she has rushed to the defense of religion and firearms, while knocking back shots of Crown Royal and beer. Her harsh, football-playing Republican father (the villain of the piece, against whom she rebelled in earlier takes on her story) has become a role model, a working class hero, whose name she evokes with great reverence. Any day now, she'll start talking Texan, and cutting the brush out in Chappaqua or at her posh mansion on Embassy Row.

Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush redux?

(via TNR)
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:25 pm
not possible.....
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:28 pm
Why not? She does want to know if you're with us or against us.... on this gas tax holiday.
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:38 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
nimh wrote:
Is Hillary really using every damn dirty trick from the Rove playbook?


A Democrat appears to have engaged in dirty election tricks, and all leftists can do is blame a Republican.

Typical.


If Ms Clinton is chided for using Rovian techniques, how is that blaming a Republican? I don't get it, I also don't get you calling some one who appears to be moderately liberal a "leftist."
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 09:08 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Why not? She does want to know if you're with us or against us.... on this gas tax holiday.


What nonsense, I guess she thinks "blue collar whites" are stupid enough not to know her gas tax holiday plan has about as much chance being signed into law as she does winning the final committed delegate count.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 10:03 pm
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
nimh wrote:
Is Hillary really using every damn dirty trick from the Rove playbook?


A Democrat appears to have engaged in dirty election tricks, and all leftists can do is blame a Republican.

Typical.


If Ms Clinton is chided for using Rovian techniques, how is that blaming a Republican? I don't get it, I also don't get you calling some one who appears to be moderately liberal a "leftist."


Well, nimh was clearly taking a dig at Rove ... and this is something that even a newbie could see.

And a "moderately liberal" individual is a "leftist" in my view.

Welcome to A2K.
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2008 11:54 pm
Thank you, so much for Hillary 08, unless Obama adds her to the ticket.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 06:09 am
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Thank you, so much for Hillary 08, unless Obama adds her to the ticket.


Obama does not have a death wish.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 01:45 pm
Andrew Sullivan wrote:
The representative of working class white America is now using her own multi-million dollar fortune to ensure that the little people's voices are heard. It's a nice contrast with the elitist, commie egghead who has revolutionized campaign finance with 1.5 million small donors. But, hey, the Clintons can simply position themselves the way the Bushies do: they create their own reality. But what the Clintons' self-financing now means is that all the sleaze around Bill's post-presidential money-grubbing is on the table. The Clintons are financing their campaign with dollars gained by Bill's speaking gigs to all sorts of interested parties. Who paid him? Why? What did they get out of it? To whom will this wannabe president already indebted?


(This is about the $6.25 million that Hillary loaned herself last month. With the earlier $5 million she's over the 10 million she's earned herself and dipping into shared money -- which is fine, but during the whole tax release thing she argued that Bill Clinton's finances weren't pertinent because she made a loan to her campaign out of her own money.) (Sullivan should, as always, be taken with a grain of salt, but I agree with his main points.)
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:08 pm
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6923/hilltoastdu6.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:12 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
If Ms Clinton is chided for using Rovian techniques, how is that blaming a Republican? I don't get it, I also don't get you calling some one who appears to be moderately liberal a "leftist."


Well, nimh was clearly taking a dig at Rove ... and this is something that even a newbie could see.

And a "moderately liberal" individual is a "leftist" in my view.

Welcome to A2K.

Yup, welcome to A2K, Not a Soccer Mum.

Thanks for your post. You're right, saying that Hillary behaves like Rove Not Equal blaming Rove for what Hillary does. It's just saying that Hillary's acting like Rove.

However, there was no way for you to know of course, but I am in fact indeed a leftist; not just moderately liberal. :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:18 pm
I emailed Hillary and asked her to run as an independent...
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:18 pm
One thing that tells you how much the Clintons have jumped the shark is their loss of sense of proportion -- about themselves.

This goes especially for Bill. He's been up in the rarefied air of being President, ex-President, the party's big dog, for so long that he just doesnt see his own place clear anymore. Lost his sense of reality - happens, with some of those who have been up too high for too long.

Flagged on MSNBC's First Read was a pretty clear sign of that:

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LEBANON, IN -- Just in case you were wondering how Bill Clinton feels about his tenure as president, he said this to a crowd here:

"Folks, it's always a mistake to bet against America. It was tough in 1968, and we came back. It was tough in 1992 and we wound up with the eight best years we've had in modern history."


The eight best years we've had in modern history? Shocked

Jeebus.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 06:45 pm
kickycan wrote:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6923/hilltoastdu6.jpg

Uma Stalker Guilty! I'm glad you posted that; I'd missed it.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 07:36 pm
People though McCain was toast...hey, guess who will be the Repub nominee.
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