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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:12 am
And that tailoring keeps happening. She hasn't been saying "jobs, jobs, jobs" from the beginning of this run. She's saying it now. And if her current surge fades, she'll be saying something else because it didn't work.

By the way, I completely agree with the concept that the poem she referred to ("then they came for...") is a good one and that it's a good reference. I'm not sure it means much that she knows it/ refers to it, though. It's a very, very common reference, very well-known here.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:38 am
FreeDuck wrote:
nimh wrote:

Hillary anno 1993 sounds a lot like Obama now, or at least Obama at his worst. Has she learned a lesson Obama should still be revising?


No, I don't think so. I think she's tailoring her message (aka, pandering) to her target audience. That's what she thinks they want to hear and she may be right. However, it's only a matter of time before someone points out that politicians sing this "jobs, jobs, jobs" song every four years and rarely deliver.


sort of like singing change, change, change and unite, unite, unite every 4 years?

:wink:
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:39 am
Really interesting but long article. I've seen Matt Taibi on Bill Maher a few times but this is the first article of his I've read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20306341/the_queen_of_pork
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:40 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
nimh wrote:

Hillary anno 1993 sounds a lot like Obama now, or at least Obama at his worst. Has she learned a lesson Obama should still be revising?


No, I don't think so. I think she's tailoring her message (aka, pandering) to her target audience. That's what she thinks they want to hear and she may be right. However, it's only a matter of time before someone points out that politicians sing this "jobs, jobs, jobs" song every four years and rarely deliver.


sort of like singing change, change, change and unite, unite, unite every 4 years?

:wink:


Yeah, maybe. But it's easier to notice missing jobs than it is to notice missing change.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:47 am
free duck you may be right but one thing I'll say...thanks for recognizing a factual statement for what it is.

There have been administrations that created new job opportunities and the next one is going to have to...

Listening to Hillary this morning speak of this and commend Easley for making NC third in the country for forwarding bio tech, bio fuel, green energy
research which IMO will open new employment opportunities on a large scale over time made me wonder if Easley might not make a good VP or enrgy guru in a new administration....
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:02 am
I don't know much about Easley but I do know that NC has become something of a technology hub over the last 10 years or so. Do you like him?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:22 am
yes I do....
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:29 am
here duckie....

http://www.mikeeasley.org/pages/pgs_headlines/hdln_style-results.htm
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:44 am
Thankee kindly.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:48 am
happy to do it..
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 09:17 am
Meanwhile, re: jobs jobs jobs, what Obama is actually saying out there:

Quote:
`Why I'm Running'

``I didn't get in this race to run against Senator Clinton,'' Obama said. ``I ran to run against unemployment, I ran to run against lack of educational opportunity, I ran to run against lack of health care and substandard housing and a war that we should not have fought. That's why I'm running.''


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a.WoQSB.JxuU
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 09:23 am
sounds great....how about some specifics?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 09:29 am
There weren't any specifics in those snippets of Hillary's either. I think we're talking about themes more than policies here. But if we want to change to talking about specific proposals I'll go digging, I don't mind.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 09:49 am
Both Clinton and Obama have published specifics on their websites. I know some people hate that answer, but you can find all the specifics you want for both candidates.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 09:58 am
Gov. Easley (NC) endorses Clinton.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 11:43 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I don't know much about Easley but I do know that NC has become something of a technology hub over the last 10 years or so. Do you like him?


He sounds pretty good, Bear.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 11:48 am
FreeDuck wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I don't know much about Easley but I do know that NC has become something of a technology hub over the last 10 years or so. Do you like him?


He sounds pretty good, Bear.

I've heard his name mentioned as a VP possibility. He's been reasonably popular here, but I don't know that he can swing NC to Clinton. He does have some baggage with a recent missing email flap. His recent Clinton endorsement probably puts him out of Obama VP consideration. I think he was always a long shot anyway.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 01:49 pm
he also has not done the best job for the mental health care system in NC.... which I have a specific interest in and I wish he'd have done better. On the whole though, I like him.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 07:00 am
Anyone know about this fraud trial Hillary is involved in?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton.php

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In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!


I got the link in an email and the article in question is a bit hysterical in tone. Not sure how much meat there is to it/ whether there is any meat. Anyone familiar with this? First I've heard of it.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 07:23 am
I'd seen it mentioned in reader comments on news articles, but I assumed it was the usual hyperbole like what we saw with the Rezko trial. I'll see what I can find.
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