Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

Roxxxanne wrote:

1. She can't win the nomination without overturning the will of the elected delegates, which will alienate many Democrats.

If the situation were reversed , and Hilly was ahead in elected delegates, would you insist that the supers 'rubber stamp' the verdict of the elected delegates?

If so, what is the benefit of the participation of the supers?

The DNC devised the present system and its rules for a reason. Explain the purpose of having the superdelegates if they are simply to rubber stamp 'whoever is ahead', and thus secure them the nomination.

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On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

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snood wrote:

On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

What if the majority of them think that Clinton would be the strongest candidate.....and the swing the nomination over to her?

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Roxxxanne wrote:

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Try asking yourself whether or not people like Al Capone or Hillary KKKlintler give a rat's ass about stuff like that....

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maporsche wrote:

snood wrote:
On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

What if the majority of them think that Clinton would be the strongest candidate.....and the swing the nomination over to her?

then they will be uneducated, racist pigs who have usurped the will of the people, their mandate to serve the people, and the United States Of America. There will be much grinding and gnashing of teeth... but not to worry, that's not going to happen.

Obama will get the nomination, then proceed to lose to McCain in the general and then we will all be united together once again in being losers getting screwed bush style for 4 to 8 more years.

Might as well head over and pick up a pack of Marlboro Reds and an eight ball.

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maporsche wrote:

snood wrote:
On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

What if the majority of them think that Clinton would be the strongest candidate.....and the swing the nomination over to her?

It will be the end of the Democratic Party as we know it. Of course, the SDs know this and that is just one reason that it will never happen.*

*caveat, if Hillary should somehow sweep the remaining primaries with big margins. Even then, the most loyal voting block of the party might be GONE FORVEVER, or, at least, for a long, long time.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

What if the majority of them think that Clinton would be the strongest candidate.....and the swing the nomination over to her?

then they will be uneducated, racist pigs who have usurped the will of the people, their mandate to serve the people, and the United States Of America. There will be much grinding and gnashing of teeth... but not to worry, that's not going to happen.

Obama will get the nomination, then proceed to lose to McCain in the general and then we will all be united together once again in being losers getting screwed bush style for 4 to 8 more years.

Might as well head over and pick up a pack of Marlboro Reds and an eight ball.

LOL Obama will win the nomination and shopw McCain to be the mentally deficient, crazy old geezer that he is while Obama will be seen as the agent of change. With the economy on the verge of collapse while Mc Cain promises to piss away billions in Iraq, he has no chance against Obama.

Shortly after Obama gets the nomination, the national opinion polls will reverse. But regardless of polls, it will be the huge Democratic turnout that decides this race. (and all that excitement would go down the drain if Hillary steals the nomination and again, anyone with an ounce of politcal acumen knows this and theat is why it can't happen barring her winning every race, here on out)

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time will tell...

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snood wrote:

On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

Snood- Well, here is something of which we are in complete agreement. I figured that out a long time ago.

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real life wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

1. She can't win the nomination without overturning the will of the elected delegates, which will alienate many Democrats.

If the situation were reversed , and Hilly was ahead in elected delegates, would you insist that the supers 'rubber stamp' the verdict of the elected delegates?

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Are you f***ing kidding. If the situation were reversed, Obama would have already been forced out by party elders. LOL "rubber stamp" Now the will of the people is a "rubber stamp."

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So...to recap....if the majority of the superdelegates vote for Obama they are merely voting for who they think can best lead the country (i.e. the best candidate).

If they think Clinton is the best candidate and they vote for her, they risk destroying the party.....which Roxxxanne says they'll never do......so they vote for Obama....but they don't think Obama is the best candidate......so they vote for Clinton.....but then they destroy the party so the vote for Obama.....but they......I give up.

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maporsche wrote:

So...to recap....if the majority of the superdelegates vote for Obama they are merely voting for who they think can best lead the country (i.e. the best candidate).

If they think Clinton is the best candidate and they vote for her, they risk destroying the party.....which Roxxxanne says they'll never do......so they vote for Obama....but they don't think Obama is the best candidate......so they vote for Clinton.....but then they destroy the party so the vote for Obama.....but they......I give up.

You should have given up a long time ago. You obviously do not understand the first thing about politics. Or even plain English.

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I get the feeling that Roxxxy thinks the super delegates are not supposed to think for themselves, nor are they supposed to vote on their own.
Last time I looked, the dem party was not allowed to tell people how to vote, in either the primaries or the general, or at the convention.

They can suggest, request, beg, cajole, or plead with the SD's to vote a certain way, but they cant order them to vote a certain way.

I guess Roxxxy would like to change that.

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Rox is an ultra conserative democrat who thinks that anyone who dosent agree with her ideas is too stupid to live. Obama is the one no matter what anyone else thinks so she says. She is worried about driving away the black part of the party. The whitey will just fall into line as they always have. This is the thinking of the intelligencia which will declare me racist for stating straight out what they don't have the bal-s to say plainly.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
On some level, the role of the superdelegates might become simply a function of who they think is the strongest candidate. Postulate on that.

What if the majority of them think that Clinton would be the strongest candidate.....and the swing the nomination over to her?

It will be the end of the Democratic Party as we know it. Of course, the SDs know this and that is just one reason that it will never happen.*

*caveat, if Hillary should somehow sweep the remaining primaries with big margins. Even then, the most loyal voting block of the party might be GONE FORVEVER, or, at least, for a long, long time.

why, that would not be good for the sake of the party and that's what you guys are about right?

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I think at this point, the calculus is pretty simple and pretty ugly for Clinton. She is expendable, Obama is not. Tossing Obama overboard will produce a horrendous division in the Democratic party. Tossing Clinton overboard doesn't have a lot of repercussions. In the current generation of politicians, there are several that can rise to run for President. Clinton has blazed a big enough trail that someone will follow in the next few elections. Given the nasty racial overtones that have come into the race on the Democratic side, bumping Obama to the curb will be a disaster.

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No one has to toss Hillary anywhere.

She Lost!

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engineer wrote:

I think at this point, the calculus is pretty simple and pretty ugly for Clinton. She is expendable, Obama is not. Tossing Obama overboard will produce a horrendous division in the Democratic party. Tossing Clinton overboard doesn't have a lot of repercussions. ......

Youo wouldn't call turning that FBI-file database of hers over to the National Enquirer a repercussion??

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rabel22 wrote:

She is worried about driving away the black part of the party. The whitey will just fall into line as they always have.

Really?

Well, if nothing else that would make for a timely change from decades of politicians worried about driving the white part of the party away while expecting blacky to just fall into line as they always have.

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(Thats not wholly true either of course..

It's just that I cant get over the notion that somehow, poor whitey has always been expected to "fall into line as they always have". As opposed to the much courted blacks I suppose. Poor whites, victimised and taken for granted by the politicians!

Thats one bizarre world view.)

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