If Obama Wins

I think all the candidates can claim to be well educated, so I don't think younger people are supporting Obama because they see him as educated. Nor is Obama that young. He's in his mid forties

Excuse me , but it seems to me that the smart kids are beating up on the kids they think are too stupid to be allowed an opinion on things they don't understand. At least it seems that most Obama people here have been talking down to me. And yes my experience has been that there is a very big difference between education and intelligence. But we have had this conversation before so you college kids can unload on me again. Have fun.

And you cant carry on a conversation without insulting little comments in an attempt to convey your comtempt for people you disagree with.

Excuse me , but it seems to me that the smart kids are beating up on the kids they think are too stupid to be allowed an opinion on things they don't understand. At least it seems that most Obama people here have been talking down to me. And yes my experience has been that there is a very big difference between education and intelligence. But we have had this conversation before so you college kids can unload on me again. Have fun.

All I have to know is that the Daley machine backs him. In my mind its guilt by association. He was involved in some business deals in chicago with some crooks that are being investigated. The one I would like to see get the nomination is Edwards but thats not going to happen. My second choice is Clinton. If Obama gets it I will not vote Democrat. If you people want another Bush in office then by all means back Obama, i am sure he will screw up the government with his change B.S. just as Bush did with his change in government. To me he sounds just like Bush and Reagan.

What none of you Obama people will admit to is that He gives rah rah speeches with no substance.

And as I have stated many times my objection to Obama is that he is a Chicago politician. as a southern Illinoian I have an innate mistrust of Chicago politicians. Joe of chicago named a few southern pols who went to jail but if he had been truthful the list of chicago pols who went to jail would dwarf the southern list. I suppose I could do the work and list them but I know it is a waste of my time.

I think all you delusional people looking for a messiah who will change Washington are going to be very disappointed when you find he has feet of clay. Good luck.

If- only if- a lady or a person of different vission had a chance to be the Resident of USA we would have a different picture of the global problems.
Unfortunately USA'ws election system is a sort of diversion or entertainment.
Nothing more.
Nothing else.
Nothing less

By far the most important warning I heard here at TPMCafe last night came from Ken Baer:

We need to take seriously that outside of those cutting very cool YouTube videos and packing unbelievably large rallies, there is a significant silent -- at times -- majority of working-class whites, Latinos, seniors, and women who like Hillary Clinton and will vote for her. For Obama, he has upscale whites and African-Americans..."

Obama must have been making that same observation while watching the returns, for his own exhortation of the night turned on a moving account of his early commitment, as a community organizer, to fight for low-income people. Yet precisely because it came from his personal experience on Chicago's poor, black Southside, it underscored Ken's caution about who Obama's strongest constituencies are. Those of us who are old enough can remember that liberal Democrats have been here before, and paid dearly for it.

Yes, he carried other constituencies in states like North Dakota, Alaska, and Kansas that have few upscale whites and African-Americans. But Democrats won't carry those states in November, and Obama is in trouble if - and I'm not yet sure about this -- too many of his famously small $20 and $30 contributions come not from the people of the lower-middle and working classes whom Ken mentioned but mainly from people like the up-and-coming young white writers and journalists with whom I watched one of the recent Democratic debates from the tony (but not too tony) New York neighborhood of Brooklyn Heights.

Every time John Edwards mentioned broken workers in mills he'd known, the young crowd watching the debate hooted derisively, "The mill!, The mill!" Every time Hillary Clinton mentioned her 35 years of experience, they hooted, too. Sure, the candidates' mantras had become tiresome. But the hooting got so annoying, too, that finally I quipped, "Don't you have to be at least 35 years old before you can make fun of 35 years of experience?" I bit my tongue rather than ask if anyone present had ever been to a mill.

Like other fence sitters here at TPM, I finally decided to vote for Obama, for reasons I've explained here. And I still support him. But I did it with reservations I explained here, too.

I fear that too many young whites with bright prospects have no really serious intention of redressing the growing inequities which the neoliberal world that employs them is spawning, not just between themselves and poor blacks on the Southside but, these days, between blacks and blacks, and women and women, let alone between cool young whites like themselves and the declasse, lumpy white and Latino workers all around them.

Not that my young friends defend wholeheartedly the system in which they're prospering. To their credit, it makes them uncomfortable. But they grasp at mostly symbolic gestures of a politics of moral posturing that relieves racial and class guilt and steadies their moral self-regard with smallish contributions to Obama, an Ivy alum whom they trust to help those people on the Southside without dragging them too deeply into it; without reconfiguring how we charter our corporations and re-construe the private and public investments that employ upscale young whites and well-behaved non-whites; and certainly without redistributing their own bright prospects and future prerogatives and second homes.

Some of the people I watched the debate with are too young to imagine themselves even wanting second homes. Yet redistributing their prospects and more is no small part of what we'd have to do in the coming world economy if any Democrat,-- including Hillary Clinton -- ever did win an election with a coalition of the long-dismissed and misdirected constituencies Ken reminded us about.

Unlike some of his supporters, Obama took his Columbia College core humanities curriculum seriously enough to go down and out in Chicago after Harvard Law School and to wrest a fine book from out of his entrails. Even more important, he felt and thought his way through and out of a lot of racial displacements and deceits, with a personal and public courage most of us whites can admire but will never be called upon to emulate and demonstrate, as he has.

Those are reasons enough to support him, and I do. But they are not reasons to have hooted at John Edwards or even, heaven help her, at Hillary Clinton.

Yes, he carried other constituencies in states like North Dakota, Alaska, and Kansas that have few upscale whites and African-Americans. But Democrats won't carry those states in November,