I'm going To Switch My Support To John Edwards

Old Europe
Would you mind if i differ.
Of course there are some highly informed
(imbued with intellectual )idealists in some part of the USA.
But according to the statistics the present president got approved in 2004 not with 50 percents of the voters.
By voters i mean including the voters who had voted with protest by staying at home..

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I wonder where Ramafuchs votes.

Here in the US anyone who is a citizen can vote. Anyone who was born here can vote. Excepting some felons, perhaps.

Can you say the same of Germany?

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Yes.

Anyone who is a citizen can vote.

As a citizen of Germany, you're registered with an Einwohnermeldeamt. Upon turning 18, you'll get notified before elections. You don't have to register. The notification has all details about the date and your polling station. On election day, you show up, show your ID and vote.

Voter turnout for national elections is generally higher than 80 percent.

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Butrflynet
What if our voting booths are located on the same side of the street as we are located?

If I take your advice and cross the street, I won't be able to vote.

I bet one thing of which I am quite sure.
USA's eligible, counted voters will never make a history by standing in a long never-ending Q to make use of their legitimate right to cast their votes.
Compare other democratic countries around the globe.
American voters are not that much vivid and active.
I wish that USA should pass a simple law
to make all the approved legal voters
to make use of their rights .
Change your electoral system which is anything to do other than DEMOCRACY

Ramafuchs wrote:

Old Europe
Would you mind if i differ.
Of course there are some highly informed
(imbued with intellectual )idealists in some part of the USA.
But according to the statistics the present president got approved in 2004 not with 50 percents of the voters.
By voters i mean including the voters who had voted with protest by staying at home..

So you want the US to stuff the ballot boxes with votes just because it is a requirement? What of the person who believes none of the candidates are one they choose to represent them? Are they required to stuff the ballot box for kicks just to keep their rights of citizenship?

What kind of democracy is that? That's the kind of stuff practiced in dictatorships that pretend democracy. No thank you!

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Your question about Germany is very correct and I beg to say that all those who are born in German soil are not eligible to cast their votes and those who were born and never visited Germany during their prime age in a far off country are eligible to vote.
I am well informed about German system and not that much informed about American system.
My above statement is this.
In Germany where i live none had expected the sort of Government what we have.
A CDU( Conservative) and SPD( socialist).
But the number of voters who had participated to form this government is far far far far higher than in USA.
The question goes back to my previous assertion.
Someone had this view about USA
Americans will cross the oceans or continents to preach the nobility of democracy but will never cross the street to uphold what they preach.
The original quotation is very nice and my transltion is not that much.
The next Resident will get 30 percent of the approval of USA's citizen.
Care to refute?

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Butrflynet wrote:

What kind of democracy is that? That's the kind of stuff practiced in dictatorships that pretend democracy. No thank you!

In Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, voter turnout used to be 100%.

Seems that voter turnout alone isn't a reliable yardstick for the level of democracy.......

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Ramafuchs wrote:

I am [...] not that much informed about American system.

Well, Rama, you've been criticising the American voting system in dozens of posts quite harshly.

Now you're telling us that you don't know that much about the American system.

Don't you think you should read up on these things a little bit before posting again and again (and again) that the American system is "rotten to the core?"

What exactly is it that you have a problem with? In a few words? And please, don't tell us that "Americans are couch potatoes who are unwilling to cross the street." Tell us something specific. What do you not like about the way the American system works?

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old europe wrote:

Yes.

Anyone who is a citizen can vote.

As a citizen of Germany, you're registered with an Einwohnermeldeamt. Upon turning 18, you'll get notified before elections. You don't have to register. The notification has all details about the date and your polling station. On election day, you show up, show your ID and vote.

Voter turnout for national elections is generally higher than 80 percent.

Is everyone who is born there considered a citizen?

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Old Europe
I beg you not to mention about the messenger's of peace.

I know and I am cock sure that Liberty statue is not made in USA.
I know that democracy is not emanated from the corporate controlled country..

The subject of this thread is something about Edward- a non person who expose the hypocracy.
If I were Edward i would have bid farewell .
Let the occupant of the most powerful WHITE house enjoy and let Democracy grows at home and not imported or exported.

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

old europe wrote:
Yes.

Anyone who is a citizen can vote.

As a citizen of Germany, you're registered with an Einwohnermeldeamt. Upon turning 18, you'll get notified before elections. You don't have to register. The notification has all details about the date and your polling station. On election day, you show up, show your ID and vote.

Voter turnout for national elections is generally higher than 80 percent.

Is everyone who is born there considered a citizen?

No. Whereas American citizenship law relies primarily on jus soli principles, German citizenship is mostly based on jus sanguine principles.

But that's a question about how citizenship works rather than a question about whether or not all citizens are eligible to vote. Which they are. In both America and Germany.

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Old Europe
I beg you not to mention about the messenger's of peace.

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

Ramafuchs wrote:

I know and I am cock sure that Liberty statue is not made in USA.

Nope. The bloody French made it. Then gave it to the US. Like, as a gift.

Ramafuchs wrote:

I know that democracy is not emanated from the corporate controlled country..

Ramafuchs wrote:

The subject of this thread is something about Edward- a non person who expose the hypocracy.

I believe that Edwards is, in fact, a person.

Ramafuchs wrote:

If I were Edward i would have bid farewell .

No, you wouldn't. You've said that you're a Marxist and a die-hard Communist, and that you would move to Cuba in a blink. And yet you've moved to bloody capitalist Germany. And have been living there for years.

Ramafuchs wrote:

Let the occupant of the most powerful WHITE house enjoy and let Democracy grows at home and not imported or exported.

And again, you've avoided to say what it is that you don't like about the American system. Possibly (and this is just a guess) because you don't really know that much about the American system. Possibly because you don't want to educate yourself about the American system.

You're happy with criticising it, but you don't give a damn about how it actually works.

And, in spite of all that, you're going on and on about American hypocrisy.

I hope you do the irony bit on purpose.

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nimh wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
There is not even a consistent central tendency to be found in his public positions over the past seven years - something that cannot be said of the others.

That strikes me as an odd assertion since the very signature theme of Edwards' 2004 presidential campaign already was "the two Americas". And that's what he's focused on without pause for the last four years too. Seems to me like a pretty consistent focus to have.

Nimh,
The fact that Edwards has struck the same discordant theme - one that flies in the face of the central tendency of his voting record in the Senate - in two consecutive campaigns, and not just one, is hardly a defense.

In any event his campaign appears to be rapidly fading - at best he can hope for a brokered role in the convention. It may be that, if the Clinton campaign takes a dive, he could become a contender again, however, I doubt it.

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Hear, hear.

(Edit: To Old Europe's post, I mean.)

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Old Europe
I beg you not to mention about the messenger's of peace.

I know and I am cock sure that Liberty statue is not made in USA.
I know that democracy is not emanated from the corporate controlled country..

The subject of this thread is something about Edward- a non person who expose the hypocracy.
If I were Edward i would have bid farewell .
Let the occupant of the most powerful WHITE house enjoy and let Democracy grows at home and not imported or exported.

Guess what, every school-aged child knows that the Statue of Liberty was a gift to the USA from France.

So is that the basic problem? You don't like the brand of democracy being grown somewhere outside the USA and blame the USA for it?

Why aren't you focusing your slathering toward fixing that problem rather than ranting about the electorial system here in the US?

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Old Europe
I beg your pardon.
Sadam's Iraq is not BUSH's USA.
In Australia there is a law to abide by the rules.
The voters have to make use of their legitimate right or face the consequence.
In India democracy is vivid and alive( corruption aside)
In Germany the norms of democracy is not bad.
My constant critical crisp comment against the WHOLE-SALE EXPORTER OF DEMOCRACY WITH HIGH TECH machine is this.
Compare the percentage of franchaise.

It is not my coca cola nor my ideal dream

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Ramafuchs wrote:

...all those who are born in German soil are not eligible to cast their votes and those who were born and never visited Germany during their prime age in a far off country are eligible to vote.

But you're allowed to vote in Germany? You did say you live there, right?

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old europe wrote:

And again, you've avoided to say what it is that you don't like about the American system. Possibly (and this is just a guess) because you don't really know that much about the American system. Possibly because you don't want to educate yourself about the American system.

You're happy with criticising it, but you don't give a damn about how it actually works.

And, in spite of all that, you're going on and on about American hypocrisy.

I hope you do the irony bit on purpose.

Thank you, old europe.

I am sometimes too free with criticisms of others myself - and at the same time probably over sensitive when I am on the receiving end of them.

It is refreshing to see an example of rational balance from one with whom I occasionally disagree.

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So comrades who hate communists and critical commens
count me out that I am not a compassionate congenial conservative consumer.
Call me a cut and paste waster of time.
Regards
Respects.
Danke

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Ramafuchs wrote:

So comrades who hate communists and critical commens
count me out that I am not a compassionate congenial conservative consumer.
Call me a cut and paste waster of time.
Regards
Respects.
Danke

Well that was easy! Seems all we have to do is mention the "messenger's of peace". Good to know. Laughing

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Ramafuchs wrote:

So comrades who hate communists and critical commens
count me out that I am not a compassionate congenial conservative consumer.
Call me a cut and paste waster of time.
Regards
Respects.
Danke

Actually, you weren't called any of those labels. It was implied, though, that you were being a hypocrit with your criticism of how we make use of our system, while also stating you know very little about how it works.

It is your very own words of hypocracy that have counted you out. And, even then, you aren't really counted out. Instead, you're just like the rest of us flawed Americans.

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