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I'm going To Switch My Support To John Edwards

 
 
Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 03:03 pm
Nimh
The slow and steady death of corporated controlled consume- oriented capitalism will pave the way for global peace.
The sooner it happens, the better.
Edward is one among the bird who has to get out of this so called campaign.

Let Nadar or any Tom Dick and harry try to form a party with Gandhi's (he was murdered 60 years and today is a day of reflection, and 75 years ago Hitler took the power and we all know the two personalities)
so that decency, democracy( democracy devoid of corporate sponsorship) and peace prevails.
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nimh
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 03:37 pm
".. I began my presidential campaign here to remind the country that we, as citizens and as a government, have a moral responsibility to each other, and what we do together matters. .. This journey of ours began right here in New Orleans. It was a December morning in the Lower Ninth Ward when people went to work, not just me, but lots of others went to work with shovels and hammers to help restore a house that had been destroyed by the storm.

We joined together in a city that had been abandoned by our government and had been forgotten .. We came here to the Lower Ninth Ward to rebuild. And we're going to rebuild today and work today, and we will continue to come back. We will never forget the heartache and we'll always be here to bring them hope, so that someday, one day, the trumpets will sound in Musicians' Village, where we are today, play loud across Lake Ponchartrain, so that working people can come marching in and those steps once again can lead to a family living out the dream in America.

We sat with poultry workers in Mississippi, janitors in Florida, nurses in California. .. We listened to worker after worker say "the economy is tearing my family apart." We walked the streets of Cleveland, where house after house was in foreclosure. And we said, "We're better than this. And economic justice in America is our cause. ..

And we do this -- we do this for each other in America. We don't turn away from a neighbor in their time of need. Because every one of us knows that what -- but for the grace of God, there goes us. The American people have never stopped doing this, even when their government walked away, and walked away it has from hardworking people, and, yes, from the poor, those who live in poverty in this country.

For decades, we stopped focusing on those struggles. They didn't register in political polls, they didn't get us votes and so we stopped talking about it. I don't know how it started. I don't know when our party began to turn away from the cause of working people, from the fathers who were working three jobs literally just to pay the rent, mothers sending their kids to bed wrapped up in their clothes and in coats because they couldn't afford to pay for heat.

We know that our brothers and sisters have been bullied into believing that they can't organize and can't put a union in the workplace. Well, in this campaign, we didn't turn our heads. We looked them square in the eye and we said, "We see you, we hear you, and we are with you. And we will never forget you." And I have a feeling that if the leaders of our great Democratic Party continue to hear the voices of working people, a proud progressive will occupy the White House. ..

And I want to say to everyone here, on the way here today, we passed under a bridge that carried the interstate where 100 to 200 homeless Americans sleep every night. And we stopped, we got out, we went in and spoke to them. .. And I spoke to some of the people who were there and as I was leaving, one woman said to me, "You won't forget us, will you? Promise me you won't forget us." Well, I say to her and I say to all of those who are struggling in this country, we will never forget you. We will fight for you. We will stand up for you. ..

It's hard to speak out for change when you feel like your voice is not being heard. But I do hear it. We hear it. This Democratic Party hears you. We hear you, once again. And we will lift you up with our dream of what's possible. One America, one America that works for everybody. .. One America where the men who work the late shift and the women who get up at dawn to drive a two-hour commute and the young person who closes the store to save for college .. will be honored for that work.

One America where no child will go to bed hungry because we will finally end the moral shame of 37 million people living in poverty. One America where every single man, woman and child in this country has health care. One America with one public school system that works for all of our children.

One America that finally brings this war in Iraq to an end. And brings our service members home with the hero's welcome that they have earned and that they deserve. ..

This work goes on. It goes on right here in Musicians' Village. There are homes to build here, and in neighborhoods all along the Gulf. The work goes on for the students in crumbling schools just yearning for a chance to get ahead. It goes on for day care workers, for steel workers risking their lives in cities all across this country.

And the work goes on for two hundred thousand men and women who wore the uniform of the United States of America, proud veterans, who go to sleep every night under bridges, or in shelters, or on grates, just as the people we saw on the way here today. Their cause is our cause. Their struggle is our struggle. Their dreams are our dreams.

Do not turn away from these great struggles before us. Do not give up on the causes that we have fought for. Do not walk away from what's possible, because it's time for all of us, all of us together, to make the two Americas one."


Read the full speech - or watch it.
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 04:05 pm
A person who had some decent outlook beside behaviour.

The non-Americans like me feel sorry
for the ongoing Bollywood Drama without substance.
Anyway it is the choice of the intellectual American citizens.
Let Gandhi and not God bless America.
Let Karl Marx and not jesus bless America.
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nimh
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 04:43 pm
OK, just for once...

Ramafuchs wrote:
The non-Americans like me feel sorry

I dont think you or I speak for "the non-Americans". Most non-Americans are perfectly fine with Obama, for example.

Ramafuchs wrote:
for the ongoing Bollywood Drama without substance.

I think this year's primaries have shown more substance than a lot of recent ones. Have you read campaign materials, policy plans put out by campaigns, have you watched debates? There was a lot of subtance there if you're interested. They are doing no worse, so far, substance-wise than Dutch or German politicians do in their election campaigns.

Ramafuchs wrote:
Anyway it is the choice of the intellectual American citizens.

No, it's the choice of all American citizens, and thats how it should be.

Ramafuchs wrote:
Let Karl Marx and not jesus bless America.

In the words of the Housemartins: take Jesus - take Marx - take hope.
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 04:47 pm
Thanks for your humorous retort.
I am spellbound or speechless.
Let me shout with silence
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 05:12 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:

I am spellbound or speechless.
Let me shout with silence


We can only pray that it continues.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 07:24 pm
That "pretty boy" video I linked one page ago has over a million views and over 4,000 comments - the most recent of which is just a couple of hours ago. Many of the comments are in this vein:

Quote:
Pretty boy, "two-Americas" Edwards.. please take your pathetic, two-faced, charlatan ass back to one of your mansions and continue to live in YOUR America. You said that the lady that was feeding the homeless under a bridge was "out of money." I'm sure that you wrote her a check to help out with "the other America", the one you pretend to be concerned about! LOL! You are such a fraud- no wonder your home state turned against you!


Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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nimh
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 08:21 pm
Yes, shame on a rich guy for talking about poverty. If you're not willing to give away your own money, you should just shut the phuck up about it already.

Of course, considering that you need to be a pretty rich guy to stand a chance as Presidential candidate in the first place, that nicely guarantees that nobody will talk about poverty period.

Meanwhile, Romney is a hundred times more wealthy than Edwards, but he doesnt have the nerve to talk about the fate of the homeless, so he's OK.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 09:15 pm
Edwards' America is the one in which wealthy and well-coifed lawyers can become President on the strength of angry populist rhetoric.

The America the majority of us live in is the one where that gag doesn't work, with or without his impeccable hair.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 09:28 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
That "pretty boy" video I linked one page ago has over a million views and over 4,000 comments - the most recent of which is just a couple of hours ago. Many of the comments are in this vein:

Quote:
Pretty boy, "two-Americas" Edwards.. please take your pathetic, two-faced, charlatan ass back to one of your mansions and continue to live in YOUR America. You said that the lady that was feeding the homeless under a bridge was "out of money." I'm sure that you wrote her a check to help out with "the other America", the one you pretend to be concerned about! LOL! You are such a fraud- no wonder your home state turned against you!


Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

It has been the obligation of the rich to speak on behalf of the poor ever since the days of the Roman Senate. There are no congressmen living paycheck to paycheck or lacking health insurance. If Edwards has chosen to take up their cause rather than spend more time pursuing his own interests, more power to him. If you are waiting for a laid off, uneducated factory worker to speak up for the working poor in this country, you have a long wait ahead of you. If you don't like Edwards speaking for them, who do you prefer?
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 10:11 pm
Yeah that whole "he's-rich-so-talking-about-poverty-is-hypocritical" thing is beneath stupid.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:29 pm
I wouldn't feel too sorry for him. I'm sure if there's money to be made in talking about poverty, then Edwards will jump on it. In between chasing ambulances.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 01:02 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Ramafuchs wrote:

I am spellbound or speechless.
Let me shout with silence


We can only pray that it continues.


(Involuntarily bows head as hands inexplicably come togetherÂ…)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 08:02 am
engineer wrote:
It has been the obligation of the rich to speak on behalf of the poor ever since the days of the Roman Senate. There are no congressmen living paycheck to paycheck or lacking health insurance. If Edwards has chosen to take up their cause rather than spend more time pursuing his own interests, more power to him. If you are waiting for a laid off, uneducated factory worker to speak up for the working poor in this country, you have a long wait ahead of you. If you don't like Edwards speaking for them, who do you prefer?


Well said, engineer.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:29 am
Quote:
It has been the obligation of the rich to speak on behalf of the poor ever since the days of the Roman Senate. There are no congressmen living paycheck to paycheck or lacking health insurance. If Edwards has chosen to take up their cause rather than spend more time pursuing his own interests, more power to him. If you are waiting for a laid off, uneducated factory worker to speak up for the working poor in this country, you have a long wait ahead of you. If you don't like Edwards speaking for them, who do you prefer?


How about someone thats been there and then become succesful?
How about someone that doesnt speak out both sides of his mouth, saying how bad it is then doing nothing on his own to try and fix the problem.
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nimh
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:37 am
mysteryman wrote:
How about someone thats been there and then become succesful?

That would be John Edwards - remember the "son of a millworker" stuff. He's no country club kid of a CEO like Mitt Romney.

mysteryman wrote:
How about someone that doesnt .. saying how bad it is then doing nothing on his own to try and fix the problem.

Um, Edwards has been campaigning pretty much non-stop on this issue for over four years now. How's that "doing nothing"?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:44 am
e-mail from John Edwards
e-mail from John Edwards
1/31/08

Let me start by saying, "Thank you." You have stood with Elizabeth and me throughout this campaign. Your support has sustained us as we have traveled across this country.

Earlier today, I suspended my campaign for the Democratic nomination for the presidency. I made this announcement from where our journey began just over 12 months ago: New Orleans.

I began my presidential campaign in New Orleans to remind the country that all of us -- as citizens and as a government -- have a moral responsibility to each other, and what we do together matters.

Now, it's time for me to step aside so that history can blaze its path. We do not know who will take the final steps to the White House -- but what we do know is that our Democratic Party will make history.

And, along the way, all of you who have been involved in this campaign and this movement for change and this cause, I am asking you to continue speaking out for those who have no voice, just as Elizabeth and I will continue to do. We need you.

Do not turn away from the great struggles before us. Do not give up on the causes that we have fought for. Do not walk away from what's possible, because it's time for all of us -- all of us together -- to make the two Americas one. We need you.

I hope you will take a few moments to listen to the video clip of my speech in New Orleans earlier this afternoon or to read it below.

In the meantime, Elizabeth and my family join me in thanking all of you for your support and for working so hard on my behalf. We are truly blessed to have such friends.

Thank you.

John Edwards
January 30, 2008
------------------------------------

Thank you all very much. We're very proud to be back here.

During the spring of 2006, I had the extraordinary experience of bringing 700 college kids here to New Orleans to work. These are kids who gave up their spring break to come to New Orleans to work, to rehabilitate houses, because of their commitment as Americans, because they believed in what was possible, and because they cared about their country.

I began my presidential campaign here to remind the country that we, as citizens and as a government, have a moral responsibility to each other, and what we do together matters. We must do better, if we want to live up to the great promise of this country that we all love so much.

It is appropriate that I come here today. It's time for me to step aside so that history can blaze its path. We do not know who will take the final steps to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but what we do know is that our Democratic Party will make history. We will be strong, we will be unified, and with our convictions and a little backbone we will take back the White House in November and we'll create hope and opportunity for this country.

This journey of ours began right here in New Orleans. It was a December morning in the Lower Ninth Ward when people went to work, not just me, but lots of others went to work with shovels and hammers to help restore a house that had been destroyed by the storm.

We joined together in a city that had been abandoned by our government and had been forgotten, but not by us. We knew that they still mourned the dead, that they were still stunned by the destruction, and that they wondered when all those cement steps in all those vacant lots would once again lead to a door, to a home, and to a dream.

We came here to the Lower Ninth Ward to rebuild. And we're going to rebuild today and work today, and we will continue to come back. We will never forget the heartache and we'll always be here to bring them hope, so that someday, one day, the trumpets will sound in Musicians' Village, where we are today, play loud across Lake Ponchartrain, so that working people can come marching in and those steps once again can lead to a family living out the dream in America.

We sat with poultry workers in Mississippi, janitors in Florida, nurses in California.

We listened as child after child told us about their worry about whether we would preserve the planet.

We listened to worker after worker say "the economy is tearing my family apart."

We walked the streets of Cleveland, where house after house was in foreclosure.

And we said, "We're better than this. And economic justice in America is our cause."

And we spent a day, a summer day, in Wise, Virginia, with a man named James Lowe, who told us the story of having been born with a cleft palate. He had no health care coverage. His family couldn't afford to fix it. And finally some good Samaritan came along and paid for his cleft palate to be fixed, which allowed him to speak for the first time. But they did it when he was 50 years old. His amazing story, though, gave this campaign voice: universal health care for every man, woman and child in America. That is our cause.

And we do this -- we do this for each other in America. We don't turn away from a neighbor in their time of need. Because every one of us knows that what -- but for the grace of God, there goes us. The American people have never stopped doing this, even when their government walked away, and walked away it has from hardworking people, and, yes, from the poor, those who live in poverty in this country.

For decades, we stopped focusing on those struggles. They didn't register in political polls, they didn't get us votes and so we stopped talking about it. I don't know how it started. I don't know when our party began to turn away from the cause of working people, from the fathers who were working three jobs literally just to pay the rent, mothers sending their kids to bed wrapped up in their clothes and in coats because they couldn't afford to pay for heat.

We know that our brothers and sisters have been bullied into believing that they can't organize and can't put a union in the workplace. Well, in this campaign, we didn't turn our heads. We looked them square in the eye and we said, "We see you, we hear you, and we are with you. And we will never forget you." And I have a feeling that if the leaders of our great Democratic Party continue to hear the voices of working people, a proud progressive will occupy the White House.

Now, I've spoken to both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. They have both pledged to me and more importantly through me to America, that they will make ending poverty central to their campaign for the presidency.

And more importantly, they have pledged to me that as President of the United States they will make ending poverty and economic inequality central to their Presidency. This is the cause of my life and I now have their commitment to engage in this cause.

And I want to say to everyone here, on the way here today, we passed under a bridge that carried the interstate where 100 to 200 homeless Americans sleep every night. And we stopped, we got out, we went in and spoke to them.

There was a minister there who comes every morning and feeds the homeless out of her own pocket. She said she has no money left in her bank account, she struggles to be able to do it, but she knows it's the moral, just and right thing to do. And I spoke to some of the people who were there and as I was leaving, one woman said to me, "You won't forget us, will you? Promise me you won't forget us." Well, I say to her and I say to all of those who are struggling in this country, we will never forget you. We will fight for you. We will stand up for you.

But I want to say this -- I want to say this because it's important. With all of the injustice that we've seen, I can say this, America's hour of transformation is upon us. It may be hard to believe when we have bullets flying in Baghdad and it may be hard to believe when it costs $58 to fill your car up with gas. It may be hard to believe when your school doesn't have the right books for your kids. It's hard to speak out for change when you feel like your voice is not being heard.

But I do hear it. We hear it. This Democratic Party hears you. We hear you, once again. And we will lift you up with our dream of what's possible.

One America, one America that works for everybody.

One America where struggling towns and factories come back to life because we finally transformed our economy by ending our dependence on oil.

One America where the men who work the late shift and the women who get up at dawn to drive a two-hour commute and the young person who closes the store to save for college. They will be honored for that work. One America where no child will go to bed hungry because we will finally end the moral shame of 37 million people living in poverty.

One America where every single man, woman and child in this country has health care.

One America with one public school system that works for all of our children.

One America that finally brings this war in Iraq to an end. And brings our service members home with the hero's welcome that they have earned and that they deserve.

Today, I am suspending my campaign for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency.

But I want to say this to everyone: with Elizabeth, with my family, with my friends, with all of you and all of your support, this son of a millworker's gonna be just fine. Our job now is to make certain that America will be fine.

And I want to thank everyone who has worked so hard - all those who have volunteered, my dedicated campaign staff who have worked absolutely tirelessly in this campaign.

And I want to say a personal word to those I've seen literally in the last few days - those I saw in Oklahoma yesterday, in Missouri, last night in Minnesota - who came to me and said don't forget us. Speak for us. We need your voice. I want you to know that you almost changed my mind, because I hear your voice, I feel you, and your cause is our cause. Your country needs you - every single one of you.

All of you who have been involved in this campaign and this movement for change and this cause, we need you. It is in our hour of need that your country needs you. Don't turn away, because we have not just a city of New Orleans to rebuild. We have an American house to rebuild.

This work goes on. It goes on right here in Musicians' Village. There are homes to build here, and in neighborhoods all along the Gulf. The work goes on for the students in crumbling schools just yearning for a chance to get ahead. It goes on for day care workers, for steel workers risking their lives in cities all across this country. And the work goes on for two hundred thousand men and women who wore the uniform of the United States of America, proud veterans, who go to sleep every night under bridges, or in shelters, or on grates, just as the people we saw on the way here today. Their cause is our cause.

Their struggle is our struggle. Their dreams are our dreams.

Do not turn away from these great struggles before us. Do not give up on the causes that we have fought for. Do not walk away from what's possible, because it's time for all of us, all of us together, to make the two Americas one.

Thank you. God bless you, and let's go to work. Thank you all very much.
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:57 am
A country which is undeveloped toprounouce the word DEMOCRACY is unfit to export the word around the globe.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:11 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
So comrades who hate communists and critical commens
count me out that I am not a compassionate congenial conservative consumer.
Call me a cut and paste waster of time.
Regards
Respects.
Danke


I, for one, enjoy Rama's Gonzo-Vedic rants.

A little less repetition would be appreciated though.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:13 am
nimh wrote:


Please, I just finished my lunch.
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