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RON PAUL........ FTW

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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:02 am
Amigo wrote:
Occom, What do you think about Ron Paul?

There is no way in hell I thought I would end up respecting and rooting for a Republican.

I am not trying to draw you into a long answer or debate. I am just wondering. we were on oppisite sides.
Not much. He seems to be right on Abortion and the dissolution of the IRS, and is wrong on virtually everything else.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:03 am
Oky doke.

I think he took every fringe group and made one big group out of them.

http://ronpaulht.chipin.com/hightimes-full-page-ron-paul-ad

Stoners, Nazis, 9/11 truthers, etc,etc.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 06:38 am
Correction: right about he dissolution of the IRS, only.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 08:35 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Correction: right about he dissolution of the IRS, only.

What's wrong with his stance on abortion?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 11:15 am
jasonrest wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Correction: right about he dissolution of the IRS, only.

What's wrong with his stance on abortion?
Nothing if you don't believe a woman has the right to choose what happens to her own body. (He authored a bill declaring life to begin at conception.) I do believe she has this right.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:19 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
jasonrest wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Correction: right about he dissolution of the IRS, only.

What's wrong with his stance on abortion?
Nothing if you don't believe a woman has the right to choose what happens to her own body. (He authored a bill declaring life to begin at conception.) I do believe she has this right.


Although I am a Ron Paul supporter, I have heard
and read quotes that were questionable however,
this was only in regards to his personal opinion.
This may be the only issue where the opposition
could muster controversy.

I still have to ask,
where is your source?
My personal beliefs aside, and to my knowledge his
current stance is he "personally" disagrees with it
but would not initiate any Federal action from the position
of President which he is running for.
Furthermore, He believes this is a state issue.

Admittedly, he does believe that an abortion
after the first couple trimesters is a crime, which is
more than enough time to make such a decision if one
plans to make it all. Don't you think?SOURCE.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:21 pm
"He believes this is a state issue"?

Let me clue you in...

If this is a state issue... then states have the right to make abortion illegal in their state. This is exactly what anti-abortion groups want to hear.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:30 pm
jasonrest wrote:
Admittedly, he does believe that an abortion
after the first couple trimesters is a crime, which is
more than enough time to make such a decision if one
plans to make it all. Don't you think?



Well, according to what he said, he believes that an abortion is always a crime, and that life begins at conception:

Quote:
Q: What will you do to restore legal protection to the unborn?

A: As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life begins at conception. I am legally responsible for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there's a legal life there. The unborn has inheritance rights, and if there's an injury or a killing, there is a legal entity. There is no doubt about it.



He also believes that the abortionist is committing a crime and should be punished:

Quote:
Q: If abortion becomes illegal and a woman obtains an abortion anyway, what should she be charged with? What about the doctor who performs the abortion?

A: The first thing we have to do is get the federal government out of it. We don't need a federal abortion police. That's the last thing that we need. There has to be a criminal penalty for the person that's committing that crime. And I think that is the abortionist. As for the punishment, I don't think that should be up to the president to decide.



(source)
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:47 pm
One thing nobody has said about Ron Paul yet, which is funny to me because all these political people act like know-it-alls.

And that is that Ron Paul is a reactionary. He wants to return policy to a time and a world that does not exist anymore.

It can be done but not by signing laws and such like a magic wand.

Bring the troops home overnight, Cut 30 million immigrants off of welfare and tossing the IRS.

Talk about instabiblity. 30 million mexicans with no help and no jobs. Talk about a friggin mess. Thats like some wounded knee $hit.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 01:52 pm
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:01 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
"He believes this is a state issue"?

Let me clue you in...

If this is a state issue... then states have the right to make abortion illegal in their state. This is exactly what anti-abortion groups want to hear.


Of course.
I don't understand your point.
There are pro-choice voters
just as there are pro-life voters.
He is consistent with his views regardless of who's listening.
When speaking to a pro choice crowd he does not suddenly
become pro choice.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:02 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
No it's not.

Is it worth explaining to you that at the time 30 million imigrants lose their jobs they might try to look for food and shelter from the state (wellfare). Rolling Eyes

I don't read about these things in the paper, I live them.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:06 pm
jasonrest wrote:
I don't understand your point.
There are pro-choice voters
just as there are pro-life voters.
He is consistent with his views regardless of who's listening.
When speaking to a pro choice crowd he does not suddenly
become pro choice.


Sure. He's not flip-flopping.

So if you believe that abortions should be completely illegal, that performing an abortion should be a crime, that an abortionist should be treated as a criminal and punished accordingly and that states should be able to pass laws to that avail, then you should be pretty happy with what Ron Paul has to say.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:07 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))


Whether they are or not,
they still enjoy the benefits
of social service without
paying taxes or you know
abiding that whole 'law thing'.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:07 pm
Amigo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
No it's not.

Is it worth explaining to you that at the time 30 million imigrants lose their jobs they might try to look for food and shelter from the state (wellfare). Rolling Eyes

I don't read about these things in the paper, I live them.



So, would do you think about RP's position, then?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:08 pm
Amigo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
No it's not.

Is it worth explaining to you that at the time 30 million imigrants lose their jobs they might try to look for food and shelter from the state (wellfare). Rolling Eyes

I don't read about these things in the paper, I live them.


http://immigrationcounters.com/
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:22 pm
Amigo wrote:
Amigo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
No it's not.

Is it worth explaining to you that at the time 30 million imigrants lose their jobs they might try to look for food and shelter from the state (wellfare). Rolling Eyes

I don't read about these things in the paper, I live them.


http://immigrationcounters.com/



WOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:32 pm
jasonrest wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Amigo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
((Is it worth explaining to Amigo why there are certainly not 30 million illegal people on welfare))
No it's not.

Is it worth explaining to you that at the time 30 million imigrants lose their jobs they might try to look for food and shelter from the state (wellfare). Rolling Eyes

I don't read about these things in the paper, I live them.


http://immigrationcounters.com/



WOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!


I guess one can't expect members of the Ron Paul cult to recognize propaganda.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:34 pm
jasonrest wrote:
WOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!


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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jan, 2008 02:41 pm
old europe wrote:
jasonrest wrote:
WOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!


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Or you could ask me I'm a mexican from East Los Angeles.

I lived, worked, hung out, and grew up with these gangs/ mexican mafia.
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