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Why Every Woman Should Carry a Gun

 
 
Montana
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 01:39 pm
That is an extreme example cj.

The law would take the "not knowing the gun was gone" into consideration, I'm sure, and treat every case differently, according to evidence.

I think I'd feel far more comfortable if everyone was required to report a missing gun!

I know I'll be covering my back and after reading your response, I'll be checking my gun every day to make sure it's still there ;-)
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 01:45 pm
Montana wrote:
The law would take the "not knowing the gun was gone" into consideration, I'm sure, and treat every case differently, according to evidence.


Then why bother to have the law at all?

We don't need more laws. We need to enforce the ones we have already. You know the ones, the ones designed with criminals in mind.
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Montana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 01:51 pm
This is a tough one cj. You have somewhat of a point, but not strong enough, in my opinion, to not have to report a missing gun.

If people don't report their stolen guns, how are the cops suppose to know that there's another gun out there in a criminals hands.

If they know the gun was stolen, they have a chance to try and catch the person/people who took it and are aware that the gun is no longer with you.
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 01:58 pm
I still think you're missing the point. But I don't want to argue.
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 03:36 pm
Ok, sounds good Cool
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 09:28 pm
farmerman wrote:
I gree with Montana , ownership of the gun should not be an issue and Id resist anyone trying to limit my ownership in any fashion. I am, however, adamant about how certain reasonable rules are failing to be placed in law, such as the recently defeated law in Pa where the gun owner whose either lost or had a gun stolen MUST report it to the authorities.

HOW wud that make the world a better place, Farmer ?

Explain ?




Quote:

This law failed to pass under heavy lobbying by the gun industry and NRA.

NRA is part of a problem.

Yes; under its current leadership,
it is giving away the store,
compromising on rights that shud not be negotiable.

In a yard sale, u might dicker over the price of an old lamp,
but if a customer demands to buy your wife
( or to rent your mother, for a weekend, or overnight )
that shud NOT open to negotiation.



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It is a manufacturers lobby

That statement is factually false.
The gun manufacturing industry is very small.
It amounts to only a small fraction of Toys R Us, for instance.

Better to compare it to the Jewish Defense League
or
the NAACP.








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, it has no longer identified itself with the hunter/gun owner interests.
(It used to be a valid sportsmens org, not a political power broker)

For a long time,
it was the only civil rights organization
that defended our constitutional rights against gun control.
Without the early fights of the NRA,
the rights of self defense and of access to the means of its implementation
wud have been swept away by the collectivist authoritarians,
and it 'd have been FORGOTTEN.

The citizens wud have been disarmed, docile,
and ready for government to take over the country,
end elections and rule by fiat, like Saddam did.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 09:34 pm
Intrepid wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed.
What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.


The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case.
Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft?
Common sense is required here.

History teaches us that it is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE
to trust that a government will apply " common sense ".

If anything, u shud assume the opposite.




David
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 09:54 pm
Montana wrote:
Quote:
My ex attacked me one day. I got away and ran to a neighbours house to call the police. My son was 18 months old and napping upstairs in his crib.
When the police arrived, my ex ran upstairs with a steak knife and a can of mace and he threatened to kill our son if the cops came any closer.
One cop had to climb a ladder and through a second story window to get behind my ex.
He tackled my ex from behind in a way so that they would all fall backwards (baby and all).
My ex was arrested and I was given an emergency restraining order.

Just a few hours later, my ex was released on bail, where he showed up at my door, bare foot, wanting his shoes.



Good Grief Montana, I'd been real tempted to have used the bat on him. He'd been walking real funny when he left my front porch.

And your'e right, restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written on. They have to break them, and it's usually too late when that happens.

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I'll be checking my gun every day to make sure it's still there


Just be sure to make a list of each make and model, with serial number to be kept somewhere safely hidden as well.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 09:55 pm
farmerman wrote:
cjSorry to quote my own post but I didn't finish.
The other issue is that this law would make a victim a criminal due to the criminal actions of another.
This model doesn't fit in our system of justice.



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If you have your car stolen and only realize it a month later,
do you still not report it? Why are guns any different?

R u referring to a criminal law someplace
that imposes penalties for failure
to report the theft of your car to the police, Farmer ?

Please tell us which jurisdiction that is and what the penalty is
for failure to report the larceny of your car ?



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A car and a gun are bothe dangerous
and can be used in the commission of crimes.

True.
We look forward to your identifying where it is a criminal offense
to fail to report theft of your car.





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One you have no problem with but the other you do?

Calling the police to defend your property, or to retrieve it,
is supposed to be a VOLUNTARY CHOICE,
so far as I have become aware.
Maybe u r better informed on thiss point than I am.

I await your information on this point.




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ARe you in the pocket of the NRA?
(You dont have to answer I can guess)..

For MY part,
I have been a Life Member of the NRA,
for approximately the last half century.
I like to think of it as MY association
( e.g., as is the AAA, to which I also belong ).

I pay IT;
NRA does not pay ME.





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The Pa Police were unanimous in favor of the reporting of a lost or stolen gun .

Is your faith in the POLICE
to fight for your FREEDOM and for your constitutional rights JUSTIFIED ?
I doubt it.




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Only the NRA and its bootlickers were marching in step.

Marching in step to defend OUR FREEDOM,
that u 'd throw under the feet of the police
to trample down as the police see fit.
FORGET IT, Farmer. U just wanna lick the jackboots of the POLICE.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 09:59 pm
makemeshiver33 wrote:
Montana wrote:
Quote:
My ex attacked me one day. I got away and ran to a neighbours house to call the police. My son was 18 months old and napping upstairs in his crib.
When the police arrived, my ex ran upstairs with a steak knife and a can of mace and he threatened to kill our son if the cops came any closer.
One cop had to climb a ladder and through a second story window to get behind my ex.
He tackled my ex from behind in a way so that they would all fall backwards (baby and all).
My ex was arrested and I was given an emergency restraining order.

Just a few hours later, my ex was released on bail, where he showed up at my door, bare foot, wanting his shoes.



Good Grief Montana, I'd been real tempted to have used the bat on him. He'd been walking real funny when he left my front porch.

And your'e right, restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written on. They have to break them, and it's usually too late when that happens.

Quote:
I'll be checking my gun every day to make sure it's still there


Just be sure to make a list of each make and model, with serial number to be kept somewhere safely hidden as well.

Does this demonstrate the wisdom
of keeping your defensive gun on u 24/7 ?
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 10:03 pm
I hate to interrupt with common sense, but I have personally been involved with more than a dozen women that definitely should not have a gun within easy reach....

Let the barrage begin.

RH
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 10:08 pm
Montana wrote:
This is a tough one cj.
You have somewhat of a point, but not strong enough, in my opinion,
to not have to report a missing gun.

If people don't report their stolen guns,
how are the cops suppose to know that there's another gun out there in a criminals hands.

If they know the gun was stolen, they have a chance to try and catch the person/people who took it
and are aware that the gun is no longer with you.

Point of information, Montana:
If u come home from work
and find, to your horror,
that your gun has been stolen,
what is the next step for the police,
after thay put the fone down from your call ?

In your vu,
what do thay DO ?

David












( P.S.: the answer is thay file the information away in a cabinet n forget it;
however, if it is found at the scene of a crime, u will not be associated with it, as u said. )









.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 10:14 pm
Rockhead wrote:
I hate to interrupt with common sense,
but I have personally been involved with more than a dozen women
that definitely should not have a gun within easy reach....

Let the barrage begin.

RH

That gives rise to challenges based on = protection
of the laws.

One of them may assert that she has as much right
to defend HER life
and her other property
as anyone else does.

How do u answer that, RH ?



( P.S.: I knew one like that too. She used to live with me;
she was anti-gun and did not want one; I can think of some others. )
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 10:16 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed.
What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.


The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case.
Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft?
Common sense is required here.

History teaches us that it is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE
to trust that a government will apply " common sense ".

If anything, u shud assume the opposite.




David


I was talking about citizens like cjhsa and you.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 10:58 pm
Intrepid wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed.
What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.


The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case.
Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft?
Common sense is required here.

History teaches us that it is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE
to trust that a government will apply " common sense ".

If anything, u shud assume the opposite.




David


I was talking about citizens like cjhsa and you.

Depending upon the language of the defeated bill,
one might have been a criminal already,
for failure to have reported it earlier.

We actually DID have instances such as elderly anti-gun ladies
who came upon old guns of their deceased husbands
and took them ( between thumb n forefinger, while holding their noses )
down to the local police precinct to get rid of them,
whereupon thay were hurled into jail for unlicensed possession.

( Multiple be the chuckles. )
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 05:09 am
makemeshiver33 wrote:
Montana wrote:
Quote:
My ex attacked me one day. I got away and ran to a neighbours house to call the police. My son was 18 months old and napping upstairs in his crib.
When the police arrived, my ex ran upstairs with a steak knife and a can of mace and he threatened to kill our son if the cops came any closer.
One cop had to climb a ladder and through a second story window to get behind my ex.
He tackled my ex from behind in a way so that they would all fall backwards (baby and all).
My ex was arrested and I was given an emergency restraining order.

Just a few hours later, my ex was released on bail, where he showed up at my door, bare foot, wanting his shoes.



Good Grief Montana, I'd been real tempted to have used the bat on him. He'd been walking real funny when he left my front porch.

And your'e right, restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written on. They have to break them, and it's usually too late when that happens.

Quote:
I'll be checking my gun every day to make sure it's still there


Just be sure to make a list of each make and model, with serial number to be kept somewhere safely hidden as well.


You bet I will. I've always been very organized that way ;-)
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 05:12 am
Oh, and where my ex is concerned, the next time he tried to hit me after that, I didn't even need the bat, as I tackled him and nearly killed him with my bare hands.
Hell, I didn't know my own strength until that day.

Bastard never hit me again Twisted Evil
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 05:18 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Montana wrote:
This is a tough one cj.
You have somewhat of a point, but not strong enough, in my opinion,
to not have to report a missing gun.

If people don't report their stolen guns,
how are the cops suppose to know that there's another gun out there in a criminals hands.

If they know the gun was stolen, they have a chance to try and catch the person/people who took it
and are aware that the gun is no longer with you.

Point of information, Montana:
If u come home from work
and find, to your horror,
that your gun has been stolen,
what is the next step for the police,
after thay put the fone down from your call ?

In your vu,
what do thay DO ?

David












( P.S.: the answer is thay file the information away in a cabinet n forget it;
however, if it is found at the scene of a crime, u will not be associated with it, as u said. )









.


I don't doubt that they don't do anything but file it and forget about it, but I'm comfortable with knowing I won't be associated with any crimes it may be used for.
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 05:24 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed.
What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.


The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case.
Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft?
Common sense is required here.

History teaches us that it is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE
to trust that a government will apply " common sense ".

If anything, u shud assume the opposite.




David


I was talking about citizens like cjhsa and you.

Depending upon the language of the defeated bill,
one might have been a criminal already,
for failure to have reported it earlier.

We actually DID have instances such as elderly anti-gun ladies
who came upon old guns of their deceased husbands
and took them ( between thumb n forefinger, while holding their noses )
down to the local police precinct to get rid of them,
whereupon thay were hurled into jail for unlicensed possession.

( Multiple be the chuckles. )


Now that really ticks me off! Lady wants to get rid of these guns (belonging to her (now dead) husband and she gets locked up for it!!!

That is just so very wrong!
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:22 am
Ah, but no, it isn't. It's not the cops' job to interpret the law, only to uphold it.

"To protect and to serve", means, to protect their own asses, while serving you with a warrant. The police have NO obligation to protect you from anything. It's not their job.
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