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Why Every Woman Should Carry a Gun

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 09:59 am
@debrafrancis,
You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns. More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 10:32 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns. More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.

everybody has to die. there are more important issues that account for why we believe in guns.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 10:42 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns. More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.


That's not just an outright lie, it's a stupid outright lie and an insult to people's intelligence. The truth is terribly far removed from that.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 11:07 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns. More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.


That's not just an outright lie, it's a stupid outright lie and an insult to people's intelligence. The truth is terribly far removed from that.


Not if you actually look at the statistics.

In 2010, there were 387 justifiable homicides according to FBI statistics. Justifiable homicide is defined as a death of a felon while committing a felony by police officer or citizen response.

In 2010 there were 606 accidental deaths from guns.

The "truth" in your case seems to be removed from reality.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 04:04 pm
@parados,
Quote:
You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns. More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.
gungasnake wrote:
That's not just an outright lie, it's a stupid outright lie and an insult to people's intelligence. The truth is terribly far removed from that.
parados wrote:
Not if you actually look at the statistics.

In 2010, there were 387 justifiable homicides according to FBI statistics.
Justifiable homicide is defined as a death of a felon while committing a felony by police officer or citizen response.
Ergo, if a citizen of any age uses his or her gun to successfully kill
a bear, coyote, cougar, snake, etc. with his gun in self defense,
that shud not count; ( I guess because its not "homicide" ).
I ususally root for the victim of predatory violence.




parados wrote:
In 2010 there were 606 accidental deaths from guns.

The "truth" in your case seems to be removed from reality.
What counts is that each citizen and every citizen
of any age has the natural right and the inalienable Constitutional Right
to fight back against predatory violence, and the Founders of this Republic
expressly disabled government
from interfering against such defense against humen or animals.

Accordingly, government can only interfere with the same authority as a schoolyard bully,
after USURPATION of power based on jurisdictional hoax,
the same as if thay make u attend Church against your will (or tax u for failure to go).





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 04:06 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
You Americans have a strange way of looking at things when it comes to your precious guns.
More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.
Whether that is true or false,
it has NO EFFECT upon anyone 's Constitutional Rights.

Nice 2 c u again, Richard.
It was sad that the young Canadian singer girl,
19 year old Taylor Mitchell, a singer-songwriter from Toronto
was slain by those coyotes; too bad that she obayed
the Canadian anti-gun law
. The penalty for obaying that law was DEATH.

I 'd have loved it, if she had been cautiously equipped
with a nice .44 revolver loaded with hollowpointed slugs.
The coyotes 'd not have had much of a chance, at biting n eating range.

I 'd have let her borrow mine, if that had been possible.

I have no way of knowing whether Mr. Parados 'd have let her borrow his.





David
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 08:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David... do you have problems reading?

Quote:
More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.

Bears, coyotes, snakes aren't "guys" from the standpoint of "good guys with guns" and "bad guys with guns."
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 09:25 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

David... do you have problems reading?

Quote:
More good guys are accidentally killed by guns than any bad guys.

Bears, coyotes, snakes aren't "guys" from the standpoint of "good guys with guns" and "bad guys with guns."
Not problems reading; I was bringing out the point
that those statistics are less valuable, less accurate,
if thay fail to include circumstances wherein a citizen
of any age succeeds in staving off the jaws of death
by killing a dangerous animal, e.g., cougar, snake, bear, rabid raccoon, dogs.
(Maybe u can convince such a victim that this rescue is un-important
and shud not count.) It is error to assume that all violent predators r human.


Lemme point out 1 other thing, casting doubt on these "statistics":
if I were involved in an act of self defense wherein I had
successfully killed a criminal, then IF I were fully confident
that there were no witnesses (e.g., alone in an isolated place),
I 'd not be in a big hurry to tell the FBI about it.
How much good did it do Bernie Goetz, when he returned
and confessed to shooting some robbers on a subway ??
Such a man is well advised to avoid leaving any evidence
of his presence behind, but to quietly n discreetly leave the scene.
(With that in mind, he is better off using a revolver than an automatic.)
His achievements will then not be included in those "statistics".
Many people know that lawyers (criminal & civil) r expensive, even if thay win.






parados wrote:
In 2010, there were 387 justifiable homicides according to FBI statistics.
Justifiable homicide is defined as a death of a felon while
committing a felony by police officer or citizen response.



parados wrote:
In 2010 there were 606 accidental deaths from guns
How many of those alleged accidental deaths
were of violent felons? The more violent felons who get killed
(by guns, or any other way) the safer we will all be.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 12:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I realize you were bringing up a point that has nothing to do with the original statement. It seems you didn't realize that or else you were purposely trying to change the subject because you didn't like the facts. Gunga was wrong when he essentially claimed fewer people die from gun accidents than die from justifiable homicide.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 01:33 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
I realize you were bringing up a point that has nothing to do with the original statement.
It seems you didn't realize that or else you were purposely trying to change the subject because you didn't like the facts.
I suspect u of falsely pretending to be too dum
to understand my impugning of your "statistics" (which u have NOT denied).



parados wrote:
Gunga was wrong when he essentially claimed fewer people
die from gun accidents than die from justifiable homicide.
I 'll leave Gunga to speak for himself.
I 'm not much of a statistician (but once in a while, I can see some logical flaws).





David
parados
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Impugning my statistics? How? By claiming there were over 300 deaths of felons at the hands of law abiding citizens in 2010 and those citizens then broke the law by not reporting they killed someone?

Your attempt at impugning the statistics was idiotic at best David. Certainly you don't think anyone would be dum[sic] enough to take your attempt seriously.
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